d88mm1940 | 19 Dec 2018 3:36 p.m. PST |
This seems to be the latest fad:'chipping'. Using a sponge to 'ding' up a vehicle. However… Here is an example: link An otherwise nicely painted and detailed vehicle that hardly has an untouched clean area on it. I mean the wood in back, the spare gas cans below, even the passenger's helmets, fer goodness sakes. When I was in the service, they would freak-out if there was a tiny little scratch mark, let alone a rust stain. Paint was our best friend. Now I understand battle conditions and possibly the lack of paint at times, but this just seems to be a bit much for me. There are even YouTube tutorials on how to do it! |
Frothers Did It And Ran Away | 19 Dec 2018 3:57 p.m. PST |
I chip. I don't think it's a new thing. I agree some people go a bit overboard on it, but I am think the example you've linked to is fine – DAK vehicle, north Africa, sand everywhere, supply problems… |
JimDuncanUK | 19 Dec 2018 4:08 p.m. PST |
Chipping is fine if your model is for display whereas chipping is a bit overboard for a wargaming model. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 19 Dec 2018 5:59 p.m. PST |
The DAK truck at the link looks okay. I don't have a problem with the level of the chipping effect on it as much as I do with overweathering like the examples below. link link |
wrgmr1 | 19 Dec 2018 6:15 p.m. PST |
A small amount of chipping makes sense providing time, date and weather would warrant it. However I agree there can be a little too much. |
redmist1122 | 19 Dec 2018 6:39 p.m. PST |
So, is the real question that the chipped models out shine the brand new looking models on the game table? Dunno…but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Yup, you guess it, I chip my models to add the battle field-harden look. I have no problem with other peoples vehicles looking clean..their choice…in the end who cares. I build and paint my models the way I see fit. BTW…that 3-ton truck looks pretty cool! You should give credit to the owner of the model. P. |
Simo Hayha | 19 Dec 2018 9:31 p.m. PST |
A lot of people are going overboard with it. However DAK vehicles seemed to have extensive chipping in photographs. So do whitewashed vehicles. |
Zephyr1 | 19 Dec 2018 9:59 p.m. PST |
Unless it just rained or the vehicle went through a car wash, any chipping would pretty much be covered by a layer of mud or dust (parade ground excepted… ;-) But, YMMV… |
Korvessa | 19 Dec 2018 11:06 p.m. PST |
I was only ever on tanks for training, but our M60A3 were painted green but everything on the bottom half was dirt brown. |
Fish | 20 Dec 2018 1:04 a.m. PST |
28mm Fanatik, overweathering? Such LIGHTLY weathered tanks!? Those two look just fine to me. |
Fish | 20 Dec 2018 1:07 a.m. PST |
"There are even YouTube tutorials on how to do it!" The horror of it all! (Of course there are YouTube tutrials for it. YouTube has tutorials for nearly anything! And I'm fine with the effects on the pic you shared. I think that in field conditions the soldiers might not have had much time to devote to touching up. But occasionally people indeed go overboard with it. |
Vigilant | 20 Dec 2018 3:13 a.m. PST |
Being a modeller as well as a gamer I went further with my DAK and used the salt method. So primer, then layer of German Grey, then damp salt where I wanted the paint to be chipped, then Desert Yellow and finally removed the salt areas with water and a toothpick. Too much? Perhaps, but I like them and my fellow gamers like them, so that's all that matters. As for European front models, they get mud and flock stuck to the tracks and mud on the lower hull and track guards. |
repaint | 20 Dec 2018 5:01 a.m. PST |
look at real WWII pictures. Heavily chipping???… nope. |
Patrick R | 20 Dec 2018 5:26 a.m. PST |
I deliberately overwheather my wargaming models to make them look more striking from the average tabletop distance. When I do a 1/35th scale model the weathering is much more restrained. I do see people who weather without understanding why and how they are weathering things. Depending on the surface some things will chip, peel, get dirty, fade, or rust in various ways. A thin truck door doesn't chip the same way as the front plate of an ISU 152, the metal underneath looks different, one will turn brown the other will rust into the paintjob etc. The Sponge method is deal for very subtle damage to certain areas, but the spread of the dots usually favours large models over smaller ones. Sponging a 1/72nd scale tank usually leads to overkill. People like Mig Jimenez are constantly on the lookout for a wide range of sponges they can use on their models because they want to vary the texture accordingly. As in all things, there is a learning curve to weathering models, current methods are yielding incredible results when done right, but some of the early models done with such methods now look dated. Some weathering looks absolutely spot on : link |
Mister Tibbles | 20 Dec 2018 7:21 a.m. PST |
The chipping is fine for the time and place the vehicles fought. Real photos are the best guide. These all look fine to me. I think the extreme hightlighting of every edge, which GW has always ingrained in gamers, is a worse offense. |
Keith Talent | 06 Jan 2019 3:47 a.m. PST |
In the end its modelling, and a huge part of modelling is to show off ones skills. I've seen plenty (most?) of model AFV's that look like a 20 year old Skip wagon, not a tank that's only been in service a couple of months, realistic? Usually not. Part of the hobby? Yes. |
captaincold69 | 15 Feb 2019 10:50 a.m. PST |
I think it depends on scale too. For the larger scales (anything larger than 20mm) I think it looks good because you can see the details of that scale on the table. Anything smaller, personally, I think it's a waste of time (for me at least). I do 15mm and I tried once and I couldn't see that detail on the table so I no longer bother with it. With that being said though, I might chip if/when I do North Africa. |