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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP23 Nov 2018 9:25 a.m. PST

When we take the trouble to look at the different types of troops that made up the Scots armies and the Pictish armies, I do not understand why the Picts did not succeed (or wanted to … ) to reject the scots to the sea, did they try, those of Dál Riata or Dál Riada (also Dalriada) (/ dælriːədə /) established in the west of Scotland had they worries to be made?

Yet in the 730s, King Picte Óengus I led campaigns against the Dál Riata and placed the scots of Dál Riata under Pictish sovereignty in 741, but it was already too late ..?

Winston Smith23 Nov 2018 11:57 a.m. PST

Have a referendum on it.
See where the votes are.
All kinds of odd things get voted on.

Lazyworker23 Nov 2018 4:01 p.m. PST

There's a Scottish heritage book whose name escapes me at the moment. Going off of memory there was two young princes raised in exile at the Scottish court who came to power over the Pictish kingdom. So it was more a political victory that created Scotland, not a military one.

kodiakblair23 Nov 2018 6:10 p.m. PST

Scotland is a fairly modern term. The dual kingdom of Scots and Picts was known as Alba.

Zephyr123 Nov 2018 9:51 p.m. PST

Would that have made them… 'Albanians'? ;-)

The Last Conformist23 Nov 2018 10:55 p.m. PST

A book you may want to check out on this is Alex Woolf's From Pictland to Alba.

The executive summary is that the Picts conquered the Scots militarily, but where then Gaelicized from within.

(And yes, "Albanians" have been used as the name for the inhabitants of Alba. In contemporary Latin the name is rendered as Albania. To cause further confusion, Moray appears as Moravia.)

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2018 9:36 a.m. PST

Yes that's what I imagined the Picts conquered the Scots militarily, then they were gaelized from within.

Because when we see the weakness of Dal Radia's army and of the other scots kingdoms, I did not understand how the Picts could have to be conquered militarily by the scots.

raylev325 Nov 2018 12:08 p.m. PST

But, then, we wouldn't have Scotch Tape!!!!

Benvartok25 Nov 2018 9:03 p.m. PST

I don't think you should PICT this fight with the scotch (as trump calls them)!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Nov 2018 12:32 a.m. PST

So the scots have "scotchés" (taped) to the picts and they have never been able to get rid of them,despite millions of gallons of Scotch whiskey (Scottish whiskey) used to de-taping?

That's hundreds of millions of kilometers of tape not to mention hundreds of millions of liters of Scotch whiskey (Scottish whiskey)…

Gwydion27 Nov 2018 4:16 p.m. PST

Scotch Whisky
Irish Whiskey
Not surprised it didn't work.

advocate28 Nov 2018 6:14 a.m. PST

The Scots, as they saw themselves:
"They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous. Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today. The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed…"
From the Declaration of Arbroath, 1320.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2018 12:40 a.m. PST

@Gwydion:Especially when it's mixed!…

@advocate:Already in 1320 AD, some people were asking themselves the question and yet they did not have internet …

advocate30 Nov 2018 3:42 a.m. PST

Prior to that, you can point to Edward I giving orders to search the archives and chronicles for proof that the King of Scots was subordinate to the King of England. Looking into – and making up – history has been going on for a long time.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Nov 2018 5:04 a.m. PST

No Scotsman will ever be inferior whatever it is to an Englishman!

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