| Ney Ney | 22 Nov 2018 3:36 a.m. PST |
I've seen the new model of this massive beast made by forged in battle. I want one! Does anyone know of a set of rules that give stats for it? I'd like to use one in my "extended" WW2 campaign but don't have a clue how good it would ha e been in combat. I've got some black prince tanks and have statted them like a Churchill but with a 17pdr gun. They're up against my King Tigers so this is pure fantasy but I'd like to try to get it right. Apologies that this is not a "pure" WW2 question…. |
| deephorse | 22 Nov 2018 6:10 a.m. PST |
I bought a Tortoise in 1/72 with this very idea in mind. None of the WWII rules I have list this vehicle, but then part of the enjoyment of wargaming is doing the research and converting what you find to fit the rules you use. With that in mind some kind souls over at The Wargames Website gave me some useful information in a thread entitled A39 Tortoise Heavy Assault Tank. |
| khanscom | 22 Nov 2018 6:15 a.m. PST |
Chamberlain and Ellis provide this: Armor: 225mm (max.)- 35mm (min.)
Max. Speed: 12mph
Max. Cross-country Speed: 4mph Chant gives 60 rds. ammo for the 32-pdr. and 7500 rds. for the MGs, 30 rds. for the 2" bomb- thrower, and 2 6-barrel smoke dischargers. Range of 28 mi. only, 4.5 ft. ford capability, climb a 30 degree grade and clear a 3 ft. obstacle and 8 ft. trench. Not much else provided. |
| Ney Ney | 22 Nov 2018 6:31 a.m. PST |
Thanks for this info and I will look at wargames website as well – not heard of that website before. I'm thinking I might need to base the stats on Russian tanks with thick
Armour. |
 Legion 4  | 22 Nov 2018 8:49 a.m. PST |
Those stats do sound about right … |
| Martin Rapier | 22 Nov 2018 9:09 a.m. PST |
Rate it similar to a Ferdinand, but armed a 128mm gun. Close enough for wargaming purposes. |
| Mobius | 22 Nov 2018 9:17 a.m. PST |
It has a complicated front armor system with a mixture of vertical and angled armor so some analysis is required. I found that the 32-pr penetrates 180mm @ 30° at 2800 f/s. |
| Griefbringer | 22 Nov 2018 9:31 a.m. PST |
Rate it similar to a Ferdinand, but armed a 128mm gun. Close enough for wargaming purposes. I was actually about to suggest using Jagdtiger as a starting point… Depending on the rules, you might want to add some rules for the small twin-MG turret mounted on the top. |
| Ney Ney | 22 Nov 2018 3:44 p.m. PST |
This is so very helpful thanks guys. |
| Cerdic | 23 Nov 2018 12:17 a.m. PST |
Having seen the one they have at Bovington recently, I think you need to ensure that its effect on the enemy has an incredibly high factor of "WHAT THE F…!" |
| Ney Ney | 23 Nov 2018 12:33 a.m. PST |
Ha ha ! Very true! I saw it when I visited and it does looks really strangely! |
| Griefbringer | 23 Nov 2018 4:20 a.m. PST |
I would think that any poor person on the receiving end would be likely looking at the frontal profile from a relatively long distance – it seems to me that the Tortoise was intended primarily for long distance action, rather than close-in work. |
| Mobius | 23 Nov 2018 10:58 a.m. PST |
Somebody wrote some measurements on a photo of the tortoise.
I recall reading about someone with an ultrasonic device measuring this some time ago. This may be the product. |
| Legion 4 | 23 Nov 2018 4:34 p.m. PST |
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| Patrick R | 23 Nov 2018 6:05 p.m. PST |
link Here is a simulator that gives the various thicknesses, based on the ultrasonic measurements WOT crews have been doing in recent years. |
| NoonJam | 23 Nov 2018 6:28 p.m. PST |
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| Mobius | 24 Nov 2018 10:28 a.m. PST |
Ultrasonic other side of front.
From the schematic this page you see that the right cheek was 40 degrees and the half height left was 60 degrees. link |
paints up some WWII Soviet aircraft.
