| Tango01 | 21 Nov 2018 10:04 p.m. PST |
"The history of the Russian model 1891 bolt action rifle, better known as the Mosin rifle or the "mosinka" has spanned over 100 years, but this weapon still fights, and doesn't just collect dust in warehouses. How did the three line rifle come to be, and what came before?…."
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| Lion in the Stars | 22 Nov 2018 2:47 a.m. PST |
A rifle that every American should shoot. Though I much prefer the Tokarev SVT40 semi-auto over the Moisin. |
 Legion 4  | 22 Nov 2018 9:27 a.m. PST |
Like the AK you still find the Mosin floating around here and there. Not as prevalent as the AK, nothing is, but still the Mosin is use. |
| Starfury Rider | 22 Nov 2018 11:41 a.m. PST |
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| Zinkala | 22 Nov 2018 11:42 a.m. PST |
I've handled one but never got to shoot it. Heavy little rifle and I didn't care for the way the bolt works. But then I've had a love for the SMLE most of my life and have been shooting one regularly for 30 years. The SMLE is my favourite bolt action rifle. |
| jdginaz | 22 Nov 2018 1:08 p.m. PST |
A rifle that every American should shoot.
Why? it's just a basic old bolt-action rifle nothing special. And yes I've owned a couple. Oh and they are called three-band not three-line
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| Lee494 | 22 Nov 2018 3:37 p.m. PST |
There have to be dozens of other rifles better to own! Cheers! |
| Mobius | 22 Nov 2018 4:43 p.m. PST |
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| Choctaw | 22 Nov 2018 7:24 p.m. PST |
We have several Mosins in different models. They make great hog guns. Rugged, simple, accurate and utterly reliable. There may be better rifles out there but these are plenty good enough for most purposes today. |
| khanscom | 22 Nov 2018 7:25 p.m. PST |
I have about 5 in the accumulation, from late 19th C. through 1950s-- all are great fun to shoot, but, most importantly IMO a touchstone of history. |
| rmaker | 23 Nov 2018 2:23 p.m. PST |
they are called three-band not three-line No. Three line refers to the caliber. A line is one-tenth of an inch. |
| Lion in the Stars | 23 Nov 2018 2:46 p.m. PST |
Why? it's just a basic old bolt-action rifle nothing special. Maybe it would get the 'commies make bad stuff' attitude go away, and more importantly hopefully it would get the American gun-makers to build tighter bolts. My Savage .243 had a terrible bolt. Great trigger, but the bolt was so loose you could actually get it to jam up! Going to replace it with a Howa 6.5 Grendel carbine, that Howa bolt is better than the SMLEs I've shot. |
| jdginaz | 23 Nov 2018 3:43 p.m. PST |
I have/had Rifle from several manufacturers Ruger, Remington, Marlin and Winchester none f which have ever had a problem with their actions. Never had a Savage though maybe it's a Savage thing. Savage is generally considered a lower end manufacturer.
There may be better rifles out there but these are plenty good enough for most purposes today. Good enough is about the best that can be said for the Mosin. It would have been nice if they had put a safety on it.
No. Three line refers to the caliber. A line is one-tenth of an inch. Been shooting an reloading for 40+ years and never heard that, learned something new.
jdg
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| Legion 4 | 23 Nov 2018 4:32 p.m. PST |
Me too jdg, and I've used and been around rifles since I was in High School.  But yes, I too learned something new as well … |
| khanscom | 23 Nov 2018 7:28 p.m. PST |
"It would have been nice if they had put a safety on it" There is a safety on this rifle-- with the bolt closed, pull back on the cocking piece and rotate it counter-clockwise. Not as easy as a Mauser or Lee-Enfield, but effective. Reverse the procedure to disengage. |
| Lion in the Stars | 23 Nov 2018 9:50 p.m. PST |
"Line" is apparently an old Imperial Russian armorer's measure. I hate trying to work the safety on a Moisin. It works, but it's not easy to use at all. |
| Legion 4 | 24 Nov 2018 7:50 a.m. PST |
"Line" is apparently an old Imperial Russian armorer's measure. Them Russkies was a sneaky lot !  |
| Mark 1 | 22 May 2019 7:13 p.m. PST |
"Line" is apparently an old Imperial Russian armorer's measure. Correct. A system of measure adopted during the reign of Peter the Great as he sought to modernize Russia in the 1800s. 1 point (tochka) = 1/2800 of an Arshin
1 line (linia) = 1/280 of an Arshin
1 inch (dyuim) = 1/28 of an Arshin
1 tip (vershok) = 1/16 of an Arshin
1 fathom (sazhem) = 3 Arshins
1 turn (versta) = 1500 Arshins Prior to that they had all kinds of measures like palms and elbows, etc. So this was actually a reasonably modern way of managing distances. And in case you were wondering, the sights on any pre-1930 model Mosin were graduated in Arshins. In the Model 91/30 they switched to meters. I hate trying to work the safety on a Moisin. It works, but it's not easy to use at all. If you ever tried to work the safety on an SMLE while wearing heavy padded mittens you might have a different view. Or not. Never fought in -20 degree weather myself, so it never mattered much to me. But I never had too much trouble working the safety on my Mosins, and I never had to staunch arterial bleeding of anyone shot with a Mosin due to the design of the safety (a not-too-hidden dig at Remington). -Mark
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