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LORDGHEE09 Nov 2018 12:51 p.m. PST

what were the size of guns that where used at the siege of paris?

150mm? and 210mm mortar (looks like howitzer) is what i have been able to find.

how many where used?

Hecoma09 Nov 2018 2:29 p.m. PST

Translation from this french site :

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Marine artillery during the siege of Paris

On August 9, General de Montauban (or Earl of Palikao) was appointed Minister of War. He asks the Navy Department for reinforcements in artillery. On 12 August, the Minister of the Navy ordered the various ports of war to dispatch to Metz and Strasbourg 100 pieces of 16 centimeters and 28 centimeters of 19 centimeters with their weapons and a supply of 250 projectiles for each of them. On August 31, General Frébault, director of artillery at the Ministry of Marine, ordered a new shipment of 100 pieces of 16, with the same amount of ammunition. In addition, 20 field and mountain pieces are also shipped by various naval arsenals.
Strasbourg and Metz being invested before having received the guns, General Frébault orders the sending of these pieces to Paris. The grouping of these pieces allows a significant reinforcement of the Parisian defenses. Only 17 pieces of 16 can not reach Paris before the investment.
The Navy will supply and serve more than 210 pieces:
1 24 cm gun "La Valérie", from the Vincennes range and transferred to the Mont Valérien fort;
28 cannons of 19 centimeters;
183 guns of 16 centimeters.

Six forts on the fifteen of the first Parisian belt: Romainville, Noisy, Rosny, Ivry, Bicetre, Montrouge and the two batteries of Saint-Ouen and Montmartre, are entrusted exclusively to the Navy. The forts of Mont Valérien and Nogent receive detachments. This frees artillerymen for serving field batteries.
The "Navy" forts form two higher commands:
superior command of the forts of the East: Romainville, Noisy and Rosny, compose the first subdivision under the orders of Rear-Admiral Saisset, whose headquarters are installed at the fort of Noisy;
Superior Command of the forts of the South: Ivry, Bicetre and Montrouge, make up the second subdivision under Rear Admiral Pothuau, whose headquarters are located at Fort Bicetre.
On August 9, 1,300 artillerymen of the Navy, arming eight batteries on foot (1 °, 2 °, 16 °, 17 °, 18 °, 19 °, 23 ° and 27 °), are called to Paris.
Of the 4 mounted batteries assigned to the 12th Army Corps of the Chalons Army, only the 15th battery (of 12), which could not reach in time the 12th Corps, retrograde de Mezieres on Paris with the 13th body, to which it remains affected.
The batteries on foot arrive in Paris at the end of August and beginning of September. They are immediately affected in the forts and the enclosure. During the month of September, five new naval foot units were created in Paris using the resources provided by the Sedan escapees, the former soldiers and the volunteers. These batteries, 1 ° bis, 2 ° bis, 11 ° bis, 13 ° bis and 15 ° bis are assigned to forts and sectors. Thanks to the couplings provided by the artillery train, the 11 ° and 12 ° mounted batteries are reconstituted. The 1 ° and 2 ° on foot are transformed into mounted batteries, which gives four new field batteries.
For the Paris garrison, the Marine artillery regiment ultimately provides 1,900 gunners for the service of 16 batteries including 11 on foot and 5 climbs. In all, the Navy, for the service of the artillery, supplies about 3,200 gunners.
On the other hand, the flotilla of the Seine is armed with 560 sailors and 33 pieces of artillery.

Hecoma09 Nov 2018 2:38 p.m. PST

Batteries on foot:

The 11 marines artillery batteries are composed of 6 old batteries and 5 new ones. They bear the following numbers: old, 16, 17 18, 19, 23, 27; new, 1a, 2a, 11a, 13a, 15a. Six (11 ° bis, 13 ° bis, 16 °, 15 ° bis, 19 ° and 23 °) are used to the exclusive armament of the 4 forts of the North (Aubervilliers, La Briche, Double-Crown and East), a at Mont-Valérien (1 ° bis), one in the works between the forts of Issy and Vanves (17 °), two in the bastions of the enclosure (2 ° bis and 18 °), and finally the last ( 27 °) is divided into several detachments in the forts served by the sailors.
1 ° bis battery on foot (Captain Méry): it arms, from August 30 to November 28, several books, such as the batteries of the Moulin de la Galette, rue de l'Albonne, Buttes Chaumont, bastion 40 ( 4th sector of the enclosure of Paris). Sent to the peninsula of Gennevilliers, it is divided into four detachments serving the batteries of Charlebourg, La Folie, the park of Queen Henriette and the Redoubt of Petit-Colombe. December 3, the battery moved to Mont-Valérien and is assigned to the service of the battery of the Moulin des Gibets. On December 21, she supported a recognition in front of Chatou. On January 19, she silenced an enemy battery in Chatou and effectively bombed a column of German artillery directed on Montretout.2 ° bis battery on foot (Captain Horr): in the first months of the siege, she armed a number of bastions of the enclosure of Paris. She is then employed in the establishment of a projectile park. In November and December, she builds a battery on the Western Railway (curtain 44-45, 4th sector of the enclosure of Paris). On January 12, she completed the arming of bastions 76 and 77 (7 ° sector of the enclosure of Paris) and takes part, from January 20, in the artillery fight against the enemy batteries.
11 ° bis battery on foot (Captain Masse then second lieutenant Humbert): strong of the East. She completely armed this fort and built a battery at the redoubt of Soissons, and another at La Courneuve. The latter, of great importance, because of its proximity to the Bourget occupied by the enemy, is, in the middle of November, built and armed with 6 cannons of 16 of the navy in less than four days. It plays an important part in the attacks against Stains, Dugny and Le Bourget by effectively supporting the operations undertaken in the North by the first army of Paris.
13 ° bis battery on foot (Captain Beauvais) and 15 ° bis battery on foot (Captain Vailhen): Fort de la Briche. These two batteries arm the fort of the Briche under the command of the artillery squadron commander of the Navy Duran. They support, on September 23, the exit on Pierrefitte. On November 30, at the Épinay affair, they serve a mobile battery of 4 field. On 21 December, during the Bourget affair, they arm all the long-range parts of the fort and the detached bastion No. 6, as well as a mobile battery of four of the countryside, whose fire serves as a preparation for the attack of the village.16th battery on foot (Captain Chapotin): Fort d'Aubervilliers. Before September 5, she was employed in Mont-Valérien, making cartridges for shotguns. During the last month of the siege, she fired a mobile battery of 8 pieces of siege at the Croix-de-Flandre.
17 ° battery on foot (Captain Denis): it arms the stronghold 41 (4th sector) and contributes to the arming of the neighboring bastions, from September 3rd to November 22nd. It is then directed on Fort de Vanves and split into two parts. One, under the command of the lieutenant of the Estourbeillon, serves the left external batteries of the fort of Issy; the other, commanded by second lieutenant Cuzon, serves the outer right battery of Fort de Vanves.
18 ° battery on foot (Captain Deshayes): it is used for the arming of the enclosure of Paris. From September 3 to October 20, she armed bastions 42 to 53. From October 20, she is employed at bastions 41 and 42, then at bastions 40 and 41. Unit from Brest.
19th battery on foot (Captain Simon): Fort Aubervilliers, Fort de Vanves.
23 ° battery on foot (Captain Morat then Captain Brinster): from August 15 to the middle of September, it is used to arm the forts of the East, the Double-Crown and the Briche. She is then specially assigned to the Double Crown and the Crould and Marville batteries. She takes part in the battles fought in front of the fort: Pierrefitte (September 23), Épinay November 30), Stains and Le Bourget (December 21). The fort of the Double Crown had much to suffer from the Prussian batteries during the bombardment. At that moment, the battery is under the command of Navy artillery captain Brinster, commander of the fort's artillery. The fort receives more than 12,000 projectiles ranging from 8 centimeters to 22, but its fire is never slowed down. The losses of the gunners of the fort, during the bombardment, are of 3 killed and 11 wounded; including 3 wounded officers and 1 officer killed, the Polytechnique Mendouze, reached, on January 23, by a shell at his battle station.
27 ° battery on foot (Captain Mounier): specialized for the service of the mortars. This battery is distributed in the six forts managed by the Navy: Noisy (Captain Mounier), Rosny (Lieutenant Guiard), Romainville (Lieutenant Vaillant), Bicêtre (Captain Robaut), Ivry (Captain Prat) and Montrouge (Lieutenant Renard), occupied by the sailors. In addition, a detachment of the 27th Battery was commissioned to build and arm a battery of 2 guns of 19, near the redoubt of Montreuil.

Hecoma09 Nov 2018 2:45 p.m. PST

Mounted batteries:

The 5 mounted batteries consisted of 3 old batteries (1 °, 2 ° and 15 °) and 2 new (11 ° and 12 ° reconstituted after the defeat of Sedan):
1st mounted battery (of 4, Captain Révillion): mobile defense then 1st division (Malroy) of the 1st Army Corps of the 2nd Army of Paris.
2nd mounted battery (of 4, Captain Bernard): mobile defense then 1st division (Malroy) of the 1st Army Corps of the 2nd Army of Paris.
12th mounted battery (reconstituted after the battle of Sedan, bullet guns, captain Chaule): mobile defense then 1st division (Malroy) of the 1st Army Corps of the 2nd Army of Paris.
The 1st, 2nd, and 12th mounted batteries are, on the 18th of November, united under the command of the Artillery Squadron Commander of the Navy Briens, to form the Divisional Artillery of the 1st Division (General Malroy) of the 1st corps of the 2nd army.
Before that date, the first battery, placed at the disposal of General de Bellemarre, took part in the fight of Malmaison (October 21) and the first Bourget affair. At the time of General Ducrot's departure, the three batteries pass the Marne on the morning of November 30th, and take up position, about nine o'clock, 300 meters in advance of the lime kilns, on the road from Champigny to Coeuilly. Their fire forced two German batteries which had come down from Coeuilly Park to close the passage between this place and Villiers to withdraw. During this day, the batteries are tested by the enemy fire, especially the 12 °, which is disorganized.
On the 1st of December, they take a position on the right, relying on the first houses of Champigny, and build shoulders to shelter. The next day, the Prussians having attempted an attack shortly before dawn, surprise the French troops who disperse by leaving their weapons in bundles. Batteries open fire and support the fight against enemy infantry and artillery by alternately firing regular shells and bullets (grape boxes). The losses are significant, with 1 killed and 23 wounded, including one officer; for the 2nd battery 6 killed and 18 wounded, including 1 officer; and for the 12th battery 4 killed and 19 wounded, out of which 2 officers, of whom 1 will die as a result of his wounds.After the business of November 30 and December 2, the 1st battery takes part, December 21, in the new attack of Le Bourget. On January 17, she went to Petit-Drancy where she engaged a vigorous cannonade of six days with the batteries placed at Bourget, Blanc-Mesnil and on the railway. January 19, the 2nd battery changes its guns by 4 against new pieces of 7.
11th mounted battery (reconstituted after the battle of Sedan): mobile defense then reserve of the 2nd Army of Paris (12, Captain Geoffroy then Captain Clabaud). She took part in the battles of November 30 and December 2, 1870. In the case of Le Bourget on December 21, she fought alone against several German batteries and responded successfully for over an hour.
15 ° mounted battery (of 12, captain Caris then captain Weber): 13th army corps then reserve 1st corps of the 2nd Army of Paris. It is first made available to General Maud'huy and it takes part, on September 23, in the fight of Villejuif. General Ducrot, in his work on the siege of Paris, speaks of it in these terms: "A battery of 12 is established in the open, behind the Hautes-Bruyères, and takes part in the fight. It is not long in attracting on it all the fire of the enemy batteries: 30 men are killed or wounded, 14 horses hors de combat; however, she strongly supports the struggle and goes for it. ". Until October 30, the battery remains in Hautes-Bruyères and takes part in many fights. Then she is placed in the artillery reserve of the 1st corps (General Blanchard) of the 2nd Army of Paris. She fights on November 30 and December 2. On December 12, the battery passed to the 3rd division (General Faron of the Marine Infantry) of the 1st Corps of the 2nd Army, and Captain Caris gave the command to Captain Weber.
11th Naval Gunners School Battalion:
We must add the 11th Battalion of the Navy (Commander Krantz) of the "Louis XIV", ship school of the gunners of the Navy. This unit is made up of 8 companies of gunners with 722 men. Each fort managed by the Navy receives a company, those of Rosny and Ivry receive 2 for the parts service.

mghFond10 Nov 2018 3:57 p.m. PST

Now THAT is what I call a detailed answer, Hecoma!

Henry Martini12 Nov 2018 8:04 p.m. PST

That deserves at least a teady bear.

Henry Martini13 Nov 2018 6:00 a.m. PST

Creative spelling award: '… teady bear.'

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