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ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP02 Nov 2018 9:36 a.m. PST

Am I just imagining it, or are the Canadians in Normandy a bit neglected by us wargamers?

I see plenty of games featuring Brits in Operations Goodwood, Epsom etc, or Yanks fighting through the bocage towards St Lo. But I've only ever seen one or two games of what I think is a really interesting episode and full of potential for wargaming, namely Canadian 3rd Div running into 12th SS Panzer Div on D+1 to D+3. This isn't a one-dimensional attack-defence slog. Both sides are mobile, both sides have about 100+ tanks, both sides have room to manoeuvre and choices to make.

I did a scenario for it recently which lived up to my expectations, at least. AAR on my BBBBlog:
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Chris

Bloody Big Battles!
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Frederick Supporting Member of TMP02 Nov 2018 11:10 a.m. PST

Good report and quite right – after all, 3rd Canadian Division was the only Allied unit to achieve their D-Day objectives

There is a really good book on the Canadian Army in Northwest Europe called The Cinderella Army by Terry Copp

bhall38902 Nov 2018 12:33 p.m. PST

Mark Zeuhlke does an excellent job covering this stage of the Normandy battles called Defending Juno.

I game this and other Canadian actions in NWE all the time, but I'm Canadian…

Brian

Thresher0102 Nov 2018 1:32 p.m. PST

One of the toughest fights of the war.

Should definitely see more play, I suspect.

Operation Charnwood is another good scrap, as is Operation Spring, and the hardfought actions in and around Hill 112.

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Tony S02 Nov 2018 3:03 p.m. PST

There is a really good book on the Canadian Army in Northwest Europe called The Cinderella Army by Terry Copp

That's my old history Prof! Interesting, very engaging lecturer.

And that is indeed a great book. The slog through the Netherlands is covered quite well, and would be a wonderful source of scenario ideas.

wrgmr102 Nov 2018 4:13 p.m. PST

Nice AAR.
Another excellent book is "Guns of Normandy" by George Blackburn. He was a 25 pounder troop commander in the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division.

mwindsorfw02 Nov 2018 4:48 p.m. PST

I don't ignore them, but I'm not going to buy a whole set of new figures. The British will have to stand on for the Canadians when needed.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP02 Nov 2018 7:27 p.m. PST

Nice AAR.

Canadians are my strong suit for Bolt Action. Lots of fun modelling conversions to build Ford Lynxes, and infantry head swaps for the assault troops of the 12th Manitoba Dragoons (armoured corps, so black berets and RAC pattern helmets)!

Ryan T03 Nov 2018 12:36 p.m. PST

GHQ Miniatures has a scenario book (Micro Armour: The Game – Canada in World War II) with thirteen scenarios involving Canadians . It includes five scenarios from Normandy: Buron (7 June), Putot-en-Bessin (8 June), Bretteville-l'Orgueilleuse (9 June), Operation Charnwood (8 July) and Verrières Ridge (20 July).

Although the scenarios are set up for GHQ's Micro Armor: The Game rules they would be readily adaptable to Spearhead.

The book also includes a listing of the changes in the TO&E and OOB for the Canadians in both Italy and northwest Europe.

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP03 Nov 2018 1:23 p.m. PST

Gentlemen, thanks for all your nice responses. Interesting to get your book recommendations and to learn about GHQ's scenario book. And of course good to hear that others are paying suitable tabletop tributes to Canada's exploits.

Chris

TangoOneThreeAlpha04 Nov 2018 8:33 a.m. PST

Hi


There are a fair number of scenarios featuring Canadians here::

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All for Battlefront WWII rules but easily converted for other rule sets.

Cheers Paul

Cheers Paul

Simo Hayha04 Nov 2018 10:19 p.m. PST

just finishing up this book. a detailed book on the subject.
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