| Shankfisher | 27 Oct 2018 11:39 p.m. PST |
I bought the US and NVA command & weapon packs for CD from OG and they came with plenty of figures (nice!) posed as crewing mortars (confusing), but there were no mortars in the packs -- not even cast-on 60mm ones!! Is this a mistake, or how they usually come? What do I do for mortars? I can't find them in the range on the OG site and all I can figure is I get mortars from the WWII range somehow. Anyone else dealt with this? |
 Extra Crispy  | 28 Oct 2018 6:09 a.m. PST |
Sounds like a mistake. Did you email them? |
| Shankfisher | 28 Oct 2018 8:36 a.m. PST |
I did, but that was just a few hours ago, so they haven't responded yet. I just wondered if I was mistaken. |
| Thresher01 | 28 Oct 2018 6:43 p.m. PST |
Did they even use 60mm mortars in Vietnam? I suspect you could just swap some WWII guys with 81mm mortars in for them. Not much of a change in helmets, uniforms, and I suspect the mortars are completely unchanged. |
 Legion 4   | 29 Oct 2018 3:33 p.m. PST |
Basically the US at that time had an 81mm Mortar Plt with each Infantry Company. Plus a 4.2 inch Mortar Plt as a Bn asset. The 60mm was in the US Army/USMC and ARVN Infantry Weapons Plts.
But from what I can tell in the Army the 60mm was not that popular. But I'm only going on what I heard, I was not there. |
| Shankfisher | 31 Oct 2018 5:17 p.m. PST |
Ok, here's the reply from OG: "Not sure why but they have never been included in the pack. We will be putting some in now." They are sending me some mortars, too. Excellent service. |
| Legion 4 | 01 Nov 2018 7:58 a.m. PST |
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| Lion in the Stars | 01 Nov 2018 6:21 p.m. PST |
From my reading, the 60mm was not very commonly used. The 81 was in rifle company HQ/weapons platoons. But if there are models posed as mortar crew, then there should be mortars available somewhere. (I will note that I prefer mortar tubes to be included with the crew, just for simplicity in purchasing). |
| Legion 4 | 02 Nov 2018 7:18 a.m. PST |
That is the way I understood it, especially in the US ARMY. The 60mm is basically a grenade launcher … |
| Shankfisher | 08 Nov 2018 9:28 a.m. PST |
To follow up, they sent the mortars and all is well. |
| Wolfhag | 09 Nov 2018 2:45 p.m. PST |
The Marines had 2x60's in a Company level Weapons Platoon during VN. It was called the "Company Commanders Personal Artillery". They were basically the same as the WWII ones. The 60 could accompany the Grunts on patrols (81's are too heavy) and set up quickly to get rounds down range using direct observation fire control too. Everyone in the platoon carried 1-2 rounds for the mortars. The Marines are still using the 60 today because it is so light, versatile and easy to use. The big factor is the speed of deployment and the rate of fire. The new round is more powerful and has greater range than the WWII version. YouTube link Wolfhag |
| Lion in the Stars | 09 Nov 2018 2:55 p.m. PST |
The Marines had 2x60's in a Company level Weapons Platoon during VN. It was called the "Company Commanders Personal Artillery". They were basically the same as the WWII ones. Ah, good point. I wasn't thinking Marines, I was thinking Army. (I play US Army in Vietnam games) |
| Legion 4 | 10 Nov 2018 8:04 a.m. PST |
Yes, I think the USMC has a new version of the 60mm and 81 as well … |
| Wolfhag | 11 Nov 2018 3:24 a.m. PST |
Legion,
I think the Marines finally caught up with the Army on equipment TOE during the first Gulf war. When I was on a Med Cruise in 1974 our battalion level anti-tank weapon was a 106 RR mounted on a Mechanical Mule. The Army had TOW's. At the Company level, we had the 3.5" rocket launcher, the Army had Dragons. We had M48A3 tanks (90mm gun like the Pershing) and the Army had the M60 with a 105mm gun. We augmented that with firepower supplied with Harriers, Cobras and naval gunfire. In WWII the Army had Garands and the Marines did not get them until after Guadalcanal. Wolfhag |
| Legion 4 | 11 Nov 2018 8:04 a.m. PST |
Yes, I was aware of all that … But in a unique reversal the US Army's 82d ABN Div. is getting a new Armor Bn using old USMC LAVs !   Also I am a "proud" Grad of Basic Amphib Training at Little Creek NAB, Norfolk, VA …  |
| Legion 4 | 11 Nov 2018 8:05 a.m. PST |
Yes, I was aware of all that … But in a unique reversal the US Army's 82d ABN Div. is getting a new Armor Bn using old USMC LAVs ! And I am a "proud" Grad of Basic Amphib Training at Little Creek NAB, Norfolk, VA … |
| Wolfhag | 12 Nov 2018 10:34 a.m. PST |
Legion,
Here's why: link Wow – that's a change. The Army getting Marine hand-me-downs and the Marines getting the new stuff! Thank you, Generals Mattis, Kelly and Dunford. Wolfhag |
| Legion 4 | 12 Nov 2018 9:29 p.m. PST |
Yes, I saw that on the news. The LAV being smaller and lighter than the Stryker is an advantage for an assault unit. I.e. the 82d or USMC. I do remember the M551, and was trained about the LAPES. I've seen other footage where an M551 LAPES did work like it was supposed too.  But the M551 was very old from Vietnam. And the main gun system, the 152mm cannon/missile hybrid main weapon did have some problems. That I don't know if they ever worked them out completely ? Regardless, I think the LAV is a good choice/fit for the 82d's Armor Bn. |
is painting some ground targets as he needs them.