Perris0707 | 26 Jul 2005 4:58 p.m. PST |
Anybody seen the new Old Glory 25mm Persians? Just wondering if they are usable for the Medieval time period like Timurids for example? Thanks. |
IGWARG1 | 26 Jul 2005 9:20 p.m. PST |
I've seen them and have to say that they are usable for timurids. Great looking figures too. |
TBeyer | 27 Jul 2005 5:17 a.m. PST |
Will they ever get pics up on their website? Very frustrating that a company has a great range of figures and customers have to guess what they look like! |
camelspider | 29 Jul 2005 6:59 a.m. PST |
Like many of Old Glory's lines, these figures are completely inaccurate. The vast majority of persian heavy cavalry did not carry lances, yet all of their heavy cavalry packs are lance armed. The sames goes for several of their other lines. They don't seem to have the slightest interest in doing any research on the models they are providing. It seems that all they do is look at 30-year-old army lists and design their models based on that. These models are unusable for what they are being sold as. Just look at more current lists such as the WRG lists for later persians in DBM or DBR and it will be clear — they are not lance armed. Hopefully they will wise up and do a pack or two of armored cav without lances, but I doubt it. |
mashrewba | 28 Jul 2013 7:01 a.m. PST |
Any pictures shown up yet???!!! |
Druzhina | 28 Jul 2013 8:10 p.m. PST |
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mashrewba | 29 Jul 2013 1:33 a.m. PST |
I wanted to wring a tiny tiny amount of comedy from the time lapse -a comment, if you will on the nature of life
Excellent link-thanks very much!! |
Perris0707 | 29 Jul 2013 7:34 a.m. PST |
I see a LOT of lances in those Medieval source pictures too
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Condottiere | 29 Jul 2013 9:57 a.m. PST |
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HANS GRUBER | 25 Dec 2014 4:48 a.m. PST |
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PanMark | 25 Dec 2014 7:34 a.m. PST |
I found some pictures from my painter and put them on photobucket. These are all Old Glory Renaissance Persians. There are lances missing and the figures still need to based, but at least the pics give people an idea of what this 'mysterious' range looks like. Enjoy. link |
Druzhina | 25 Dec 2014 8:53 p.m. PST |
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khurasanminiatures | 26 Dec 2014 6:55 a.m. PST |
Perfect timing! Meanwhile there are those hats on the tufeckchis, the fabled cowboy hats from Gush. So, what do we think of those? |
PanMark | 26 Dec 2014 8:02 a.m. PST |
I think the Old Glory hats are o.k. If I had a preference though (anyone sculpting out there?), I'd have them done with more of a cone shape in the centre and with the brim less flat but slightly curled upwards. The pictures by Druzinha give a good idea of how the hats looked in real life. |
khurasanminiatures | 26 Dec 2014 5:42 p.m. PST |
How do we know how the hats looked in real life? Are there surviving examples? |
PanMark | 26 Dec 2014 8:12 p.m. PST |
Not sure if there are any surviving examples. The surviving murals and Dr. Kaempfer's traveller account cited by Druzina are good enough for me. |
PanMark | 26 Dec 2014 8:56 p.m. PST |
Khurasan, Are you manufacturing a line of renaissance Persians? Take a look at these murals: link I think they show good examples of infantry hats. |
Druzhina | 27 Dec 2014 12:52 a.m. PST |
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khurasanminiatures | 27 Dec 2014 9:53 a.m. PST |
I was wondering how the images could be confirmed as being true to life when all we have is the images. Anyway, there's an interesting difference between headdress of Shah Abbas I's musketeers and the later 17th C Safavids. SAI has a faintly gandalf-looking hat with a cloth wrapped around it, whereas later Safavids have the hats that look like Tyrolian caps or cowboy hats/sombreros with the brim sloping up. It may have to do with the area the troops came from -- SAI had many Ghulams from Georgia whereas when he conquered areas the Safavids had new recruitment opportunities. I've been working on a range of Napoleonic Persians on and off and the nizam-I-jedid (western style musketeers) are almost done. Of course there were still many thousands of irregulars in the Persian army and it occurs to me many of them from 1800-28 would be essentially identical to troops from as far back as 1600, SAI's reign. I think the major difference would be the hat. They wore different hats based on the dynasty, such as troops in Qajar ("Napoleonic") Persia wearing the Qajar hat (tall conical, brimless hat) and Nader Shah's troops wearing the somewhat shorter hat with the multiple points on the crown. So head swaps may allow the range to be expanded…. |
PanMark | 27 Dec 2014 3:41 p.m. PST |
Khurasan, That is interesting. I like your idea of head swaps. Did you know that Westfalia Miniatures got their kickstarter funded for a 28mm Napoleonic Persian range? link |
khurasanminiatures | 28 Dec 2014 8:50 a.m. PST |
Yes -- why do you mention it? |
PanMark | 28 Dec 2014 10:26 a.m. PST |
…just thought it may be of interest to you to know there is a market for this period. |
khurasanminiatures | 28 Dec 2014 6:30 p.m. PST |
Ah ok. These will be in 15/18mm scale, and it will be interesting to see how they are received, as a new opponent for Napoleonic Russians and Ottomans. |
PanMark | 29 Dec 2014 8:06 a.m. PST |
Good luck with the new range! |