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17 Oct 2018 8:01 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Oct 2018 12:59 p.m. PST

What rules use one stand = one squad, so 3 stands = 1 platoon?

I know about Crossfire, Fistful of TOWs and Fireball Forward

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2018 1:15 p.m. PST

Battlefront by Rich Hasenauer is at this scale, IIRC. I think the new Iron Cross rules are as well.

Jcfrog16 Oct 2018 1:38 p.m. PST

I ain't been shot Mum by 2fatlardies
Panzer Grenadier by F Brown

Achtung Minen16 Oct 2018 1:39 p.m. PST

That's how I play IABSM. I use 15mm scale minis and Flames of War bases as follows:

8-man infantry squad: Medium base with 4 figures
10-man infantry squad: Medium base with 5 figures
Heavy weapon (ATG, mortar, MMG etc.): Medium base with 3-5 figures (whatever is approriate)
Small team (sniper, bazooka, independent LMG etc.): Small base with 2 figures
Tank-hunter section: Small base with 3 figures
Big Man Officer: Small base with 3 figures (representing an HQ section with messengers, medics, 2iC etc.)
Big Man NCO: Small base with 2 figures (one the NCO, the other a messenger etc.)

One squad per stand looks amazing on the table, especially in 15mm scale. I really don't know why more people don't do this. It leaves the battlefield looking uncrowded, which I like, and it is just easier to tell what is going on. A nice bonus is that in IABSM, the ground scale is such that a 15mm scale figure is twice as big as the soldier it represents, meaning a base with 4 figures has the same footprint as a squad with 8 soldiers.

If you're wondering why I distinguish between officer and NCO Big Men, it is because a formation (like a platoon or troop) rarely has more than two Big Men, so it's handy to be able to quickly distinguish between them on the table. Plus, in the version I play (v2), they are often quite different… NCO big men are rare, but when you do have them, they are usually much better leaders than officers!

Fred Cartwright16 Oct 2018 1:43 p.m. PST

The various versions of Command Descion and Crossfire are also at this scale. Although CD has 4 stands per platoon, 3 regular stands and a command/weapons stand with the platoon 50mm mortar, Bazooka etc. Both CD and Crossfire use 2-3 figures per stand.

TacticalPainter0116 Oct 2018 1:53 p.m. PST

Crossfire only requires that all bases conform to a consistent size, the number of miniatures can vary, although three on a base is probably the most common. I play in 20mm and base three figures on a 40mmx40mm base. I've played in 15mm with squads on 30x30 bases. It all works fine.

Dynaman878916 Oct 2018 2:05 p.m. PST

Command Decision stands are each a platoon – not a squad.
FFT3 is also platoons but you can squint and say they are squads.

Schwere Kompanie has squad stands.

BuckeyeBob16 Oct 2018 2:38 p.m. PST

Battlegroup Panzer Grenadier (D. Brown)
Infantry platoon is 1 cmd stand and 3 squads.

Dexter Ward16 Oct 2018 2:41 p.m. PST

Battlefront WW2 (www.fireandfury.com); an excellent set of rules.
Units are not organised in platoons though; the company is the maneuver unit. Usually a command stand, 9-12 infantry stands, plus support weapons.

Squad Leader in Miniature is also one stand = 1 squad

mckrok Supporting Member of TMP16 Oct 2018 2:42 p.m. PST

Firefly

Martin Rapier16 Oct 2018 11:15 p.m. PST

Cambrai to Sinai(!).

FiveCore Company Commander.

Griefbringer17 Oct 2018 2:27 a.m. PST

Regarding Battlefront WWII, please notice that while one infantry stand equals a squad, a support weapon stand or tank model equals 2 or 3 weapons/tanks.

coopman17 Oct 2018 5:13 a.m. PST

There are some good boardgames at this scale too. Lock n Load Tactical is my favorite, and Advanced Squad Leader (if you have nothing else to do with your life). Although I do have some 15mm and 28mm WW2 minis, it's just so much easier to pull a boardgame off the shelf and set up one of the scenarios. No wondering where did I put those PzIVs that I painted up a while back, or where is my box of fences and stone walls.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Oct 2018 5:20 a.m. PST

I played ASL as a kid before it went off the deep end.

These days for me it's all about the social aspect and spectacle. Board games leave me completely uninspired to play, though I have used them for rules ideas, scenarios, etc.

Martin Rapier17 Oct 2018 7:49 a.m. PST

"Regarding Battlefront WWII, please notice that while one infantry stand equals a squad, a support weapon stand or tank model equals 2 or 3 weapons/tanks."

And in Crossfire each support weapon supposedly represents 2-3 tubes too. Which never made a great deal of sense to me tbh.

Jozis Tin Man17 Oct 2018 8:31 a.m. PST

Company Command by Nordic Weasel is at this scale. You might also want to check out Hammer of Democracy, which should be done soon, here is Ivan's Indigogo page: link

MiniPatton17 Oct 2018 11:37 a.m. PST

@ Extra Crispy – you sent me a PM about some rules, it will not let me reply to you for some reason.

Sorry to hijack the thread, just wanted you to know I wasn't ignoring you.

EDIT – Bill told me you have your setting to not accept PMs which might be the reason.

Dynaman878917 Oct 2018 2:53 p.m. PST

> I played ASL as a kid before it went off the deep end.

ASL STARTED off the deep end. Do you mean Squad Leader and ditched ASL?

FusilierDan Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2018 6:16 p.m. PST

Looks like Two hour Wargames has a set
link

Nuts Big Battles Company size.

Lee49417 Oct 2018 8:45 p.m. PST

My Combat Action Command rules can be played with 1 Base equals 1 squad and 1 tank equals 1 tank (not a squad or section) just a single AFV. Cheers!

wrgmr117 Oct 2018 10:10 p.m. PST

Rapid Fire, has 8 figures per company.

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