Tango01 | 27 Sep 2018 3:45 p.m. PST |
""People don't really like Indians," declared Fritz Scholder (1937-2005), whose taboo-breaking, colorist images of fellow Native Americans now showing as Indian/Not Indian at the National Museum of the American Indian (NMAI) still provoke controversy. "Oh, they like their own conceptions of the Indian – usually the Plains Indian, romantic and noble and handsome and somehow the embodiment of wisdom and patience. But Indians in America are usually poor, sometimes derelicts outside the value system…we have really been viewed as something other than human beings by the larger society. The Indian of reality is a paradox -- a monster to himself and a non-person to society" Showcased in this, the largest Scholder retrospective to date – including the sublimely hued Super Pueblo (1968), the elegant American Indian (undated) [right], and the controversial Indian with Beer Can (1969) – are the prolific artist's radical transformations of both Native American art and viewers' perceptions of tribal peoples…" Main page link Amicalement Armand
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Cacique Caribe | 27 Sep 2018 4:21 p.m. PST |
What the … ? There are countries like Mexico that, in the one hand build an entire mythos of being successors to Indians but, on the other hand despise, ridicule and mistreat the large number of more pure-blooded descendants of the Indians who actually know something of the real cultures and languages of the native Mexicans. How much of that gets the attention of these writers? Not Little. Ever wonder why? Surely not out of ignorance, because that would destroy much of their credibility. And if the real reason for all their focus on digging up mostly long dead hate issues in the US is because of a divisive political agenda, well that would really make the credibility of these writers even less solid. Dan |
StarCruiser | 27 Sep 2018 4:24 p.m. PST |
Yep – always had issue with how people can make a big deal about being "part Indian" and then treat the actual Natives like dirt… This is a nasty left over of a terrible part of US History that still hasn't been dealt with. |
Cacique Caribe | 27 Sep 2018 4:37 p.m. PST |
StarCruiser I don't know. If all the actual victims and the actual perpetrators are long dead … and descendants of both (who never personally lived or participated in the atrocities) have finally started to get along in most cases, then what's the point of picking at scabs? Why don't they focus all their attention on those who still – to this day – rob Natives of their lands and resources and kill them for profit or simply for sport? Why don't they make an entire series of books on how Mexico and Brazil are waging a war of extermination. Perhaps because they are more interested in dividing those who have started to reconcile in the US, and are truly less interested in being a voice for Native Americans in general. The selective silence of these writers, about more horrific events that are happening right now, and the vile attitudes of the fellow citizens and officials in those countries who can do something about it, really speaks volumes, specially about the true intentions of these opportunistic anti-US activists and so-called writers. They say time heals all wounds. But that can only happen in the US if the vultures stop digging up the bones of those who once hated each other. These people however want to revive and transfer those old hatreds to new generations of almost-reconciled US citizens, either for fame, money or political goals. It's like a therapist or teacher constantly bringing up to a child that he/she is the product of a violent sexual encounter a few generations back, perpetrated by a man from another family. It brings up all the wrong feelings and perpetuates feuds that should have ended with those past generations. Dan PS. By the way, this matter is really close to my heart. I am the product of three different cultures who are learning to get along today, mainly because they understand that the hatreds and sins of our ancestors do not have to be transferred down to us today. The embers of those feuds need to die out and not be revived. |
Shagnasty | 27 Sep 2018 6:20 p.m. PST |
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StoneMtnMinis | 27 Sep 2018 7:35 p.m. PST |
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goragrad | 27 Sep 2018 7:36 p.m. PST |
This was posted once before, not sure what the topic was titled so a search has so far drawn a blank. On the other hand CC has pretty much nailed it. Locally growing up I saw more prejudice toward 'Mexicans' than Indians (and both were present). Of course the old time ranch and farm based locals were prejudiced against the miners who moved into the area for the Uranium Boom as well… |
StoneMtnMinis | 27 Sep 2018 7:45 p.m. PST |
Growing up in New Mexico(Taos), I had a chance to meet, and get to know, quite a few of the old "Land Grant Spanish". And yes, they referred to themselves as Spanish, not Mexican, who they considered to be mixed breeds. So the prejudice still existed into the 1980's when I moved from New Mexico. Dave |
mjkerner | 27 Sep 2018 10:03 p.m. PST |
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Garryowen | 28 Sep 2018 6:19 a.m. PST |
Good for you Dan!! The problem is some politicians and other segments of society see benefit in causing turmoil and hatred. They need it to achieve their goals. Tom |
Pan Marek | 28 Sep 2018 9:55 a.m. PST |
Yep. I enthusiastically support ignoring our own injustices to Native Americans in favor of criticizing how other nations have treated them. After all, we can have so much more effect on those nations than on our own. This discussion is just a new way to ignore what our nation has done. And the photographer in question is from the US, not other nations. |
Tango01 | 28 Sep 2018 12:09 p.m. PST |
Bien dicho Dany!. Amicalement Armand |
goragrad | 28 Sep 2018 12:55 p.m. PST |
So Pan Marek – are all Caucasian Americans responsible for any misdeed committed by another Caucasian American? Blood guilt anyone? And what is the status of Native American tribes who allied themselves with the Whites against their traditional enemies of other tribes? Should the Crows be making reparations to the Sioux and Cheyenne? Frankly the only reason members of some tribes even today get along is the perception of a common enemy/gift horse in the person of the White Man. In the Navajo language the word for the Navajos is Dineh – People. No one else White, Native American, or any other ethnicity/race is People. To my knowledge most if not all tribes held that view. In the past Native Americans were treated on the whole better than the various tribes treated each other in their wars and conquests. Unless you want to believe the various creation stories of tribes that place them in their current territories from their beginnings. Or that the Pueblos for example chose their abodes for the scenery. |
Legion 4 | 07 Oct 2018 3:24 p.m. PST |
Hey my people didn't come to the US until @ 1900 … So … I can't be blamed or take credit for anything that occurred before then ! And every Indian from either continent I met I liked. |
oldjarhead | 08 Oct 2018 7:19 a.m. PST |
Pan Marek, I came to the United States in 1960, I am the only member of my family to lives west of the Hudson River. None of my ancestors were in America during the Indian Wars period, so I am responsible for any atrocities that happened? (likewise reparations for slavery) |