"8mm Adeptus Titanicus REVELED !!!!!!!!" Topic

ALL IS NOW REVELED !!!!!!!!!!!!

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ALL IS NOW REVELED !!!!!!!!!!!!

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The only thing I can afford is the collector's coin!

Mein Gott im Himmel!!

Looks really nice but $300 USD… hah!

A fool and his money are soon parted.😄 I'll stick with my Titans in Epic Armageddon.

$110 USD? How BIG is the warlord now? The original Adeptus Titanicus ones were maybe 4 inches, toes to carapace-top. IMO, the two sets don't intersect:

A: model is at the upper limit of size reasonable to be considered scaled to a 8mm human

B: Model is worth anywhere near $110 USD

Models such as Mortarion cost only a little more than this, and he is both really huge AND a mini you're ever going to need ONE of. SO that old "why that one box is so expensive" excuse is out the window.

You are never really "good" with just whats in a starter box, which already has two warlords.

Again, I went from hating GW to applauding many of their decisions these last couple of years, BUT now with the new Adeptus Titanicus will follow the same old pattern:

"Awesome! They're bringing back 'X' after all this time!"

"The picture leaked look so cool! I need to set aside money for when this comes out!"

"Those models are HOW much? Wow, even with clear understanding of GW's price structures, that's still considerably more than I would have thought. Maybe I'll hold off for later…"

[later never comes]

These are almost ad big as the 28mm knights. There is a comparison pic on r/warhammer40k. For the size 110 bucks idnt unreasonable.

Plus you don't have to get the Grand Master edition. There's cheaper options.

I think the price point is based on the limited size of the games. They're aiming this at 3 or 4 titans max, Imperial only (for now). This isn't 40k with huge armies and a big array of unit types for every race. It's really kind of a small investment game much different than their standard games.

I'll be interested to see how the rules pan out. If initial reviews are favourable, I might pick up the basic rulebook set. Zero chances of picking up the minis though – while GW's are very nice, I'd rather see my cash spent with one of the small operations producing big stompy robots and terrain.

On that note, Legion, if you are sticking with your existing 6mm stuff – might I suggest a look at Wasteland Game Studio? They make some nice 6mm resin buildings with the distinct high gothic look of Epic. As a bonus, they're in Canada so their prices are in Canadian Dollars. :)

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They're aiming this at 3 or 4 titans max, Imperial only (for now).

I'm aware that I would't be needing loads of titans.

This isn't 40k with huge armies and a big array of unit types for every race.

For now…AT 1st ed. preceded Space Marine / Epic 1st ed .

These are almost ad big as the 28mm knights.

No, they really aren't. Their mass is considerably smaller. Knights are $160 USD to $170 USD, which, while I feel is too rich for my blood, I don't consider an entirely unreasonable price. But a c-note for a warlord is ridiculous, and is overpriced for mid-to-high range unit. Why is a box of ten orks relatively cheap? Why is a box of three chaos knights stupid-expensive? They cost the same to make. They just choose to sell one for more than the other. Ork boyz are not a loss-leader. And the warlord costs too much.

Will they release a new Emperor titan that is the same size as a 40k knight, but breaks the 200-mark?

Just when I had thought about getting back into a GW product they prove once again that they are not worth it.

*shrug.

Do whatever you want. Still not sure why people still get sticker shock for GW. It's a hobby. If you like the minis enough, you'll get them. If not, there's always TMP to complain to I guess.

Because the sticker shock never ceases to amaze me. When I saw that price, I might have thought the currency converter had reset itself to random country again. If I had had no intention of getting into AT, I wouldn't bother. But even before it's release, GW has already priced me out of the game.

So if this NOT well and truly the start of Epic 40K WhatevereditionIlosttrackafter3rd, I can't imagine that most people, who may already have d6 GW monkeys on their back, will even bother with it.

Bad move.

This is not a hobby I'm familiar with, but then I don't have an Ostrich jacket either.

Canuckinator Thanks for the intel but I've been doing 6mm sci-fi since '90. And have been modeling/buy/collecting terrain since then and I have so much stuff now ! Too much !

Back in @ '89 Adeptus Titanicus was released followed in @'90 SM1. That's when I started …

Now the original Titans were 1/500 scale while the rest of Epic was @ 6mm-1/300. Now the new Titans are supposed to be 8mm that's about 1/200 scale(?) … Bigger toys cost mo' money ! E.g. New 8mm -1/200 vs. old 1/500

6mm Space Marine from SM1 & SM2, etc. on a new 8mm Titan …

Cool pics Legion 4! Thanks for posting them.

I like to get a much intel as I can for all to see. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes to see what one may buy.

At this point I MAY only get the Heresy box with the Objective sprue and rules, etc. I'm only interested in the sprue, and would sell off the rest. And maybe the small set of buildings … even if I don't need anything !

"No, they really aren't. Their mass is considerably smaller. Knights are $160 USD USD to $170 USD USD, which, while I feel is too rich for my blood, I don't consider an entirely unreasonable price."

If you look at the picture they are close to the size of knights, much bigger than the new Dreadnought. They are at least 2/3 the size of knights and they are almost exactly 2/3 the price of one.

Also I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Orks vs. Chaos knights thing.

A box of 10 Orks costs $29. USD

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A box of 10 Chaos knights costs $60 USD

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Given that cavalry are sort-of 2 models each the price, double the price doesn't seem "stupid-expensive" at all.

As a matter of fact, if you call 10 cavalry for $60 USD "stupid-expensive" then a lot of historical manufacturers are "stupid-expensive" or close to it.

Foundry charges about $6 USD a figure for cavalry and for Crimean War British lancers or Comanches Warlord wants $32 USD for 6 of them.

@Legion 4: Thank you for posting these pictures!

Epic was what brought me into the GW universe and I always liked it more than the bigger 40k. When I heard that the new AT would be 8mm, I was dissappointed.

Your pictures, however, look like a dream has come true! Those titans look MUCH more in scale than the 3mmish old titans (which were nice, but already back then too small).

The price tag is hefty, but 6mm isn't cheap and titans by alternative producers don't come cheap either.

Looks at prices……HAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAA, no.

Honestly I tapped out a while ago on GW and they never fail to convince that it was the correct choice. Having said that, if you have the cash to spend on GW's hobby then I hope you enjoy these new miniatures. I see no point in arguing about pricing, since if it worth it to you than enjoy your hobby they way you want to.

"You are never really "good" with just whats in a starter box, which already has two warlords."

Well, yes and no. The typical sized game will have between 3-6 titans per side, the majority of which will be Reaver and Warhound titans (depending on agreed points and taste of course). Just add two Reavers to the boxed set and Bob's your uncle. Or two Warhounds. Or one of each, when they become available that is. I got my set for $246. USD You can get Warlords for $85 USD-$90 if you just want one. It was worth it to me as I have all of the various incarnations of Epic. I'll be using my new titans for all of my epic games from now on as they just look like the huge world beating God Machines they are supposed to be.

Very cool, but the price has put me off, too. To be fair I've been playing GW games since the 80s and this is the first time I've said no to a cool box set. I might buy one titan to use with my epic scale armies. I always thought the original Warlords should have been bigger. Maybe if I can get one a little less than retail.
Instead I dropped money on ZombieSmith games during their 18% off summer sale. I'm bringing my Quar Crusaders and Croftyan forces up to company for half the cost of the Grandmaster box.

I frankly have no idea what The Beast Rampant is griping about.

If you look at the pic in Pictors Studio's post, the AT Warlord's size is almost exactly halfway between the size of an Imperial Knight and that of a Primaris Redemptor Dreadnoght. The price of a full-fledged Imperial Knight is $157.00 USD and a Redemptor Dread is listed at $65.00 USD. So how did GW set the price of the AT Warlord Battle Titan at $110.00 USD?

($157.00 +$65.00) ÷ 2 = $111.00 USD

It's a simple average of the other two models' prices (rounding down) and doesn't appear to be all that unreasonable.

My plan for this is to mostly use the figures with my epic armies. I will be playing some one-off games of this here and there. For that I plan on having 1 Warlord, two sets of knights and either a Reaver or two Warhounds on each side.

So each side will have 2 or 3 titans and 6 knights. I will probably do the knights from 4 houses so if you want to put all the knigts on one side and switch the reaver over then it would still be an interesting game.

For that I expect I'll be paying about $500 USD total plus probably a little extra for some buildings and if I like it enough I might buy the Forge World terrain pieces.

I bought the White Dwarf with the preview in it today and read the battle report. I think I know some people that will like this more than other miniature games so will be able to get them to play it, which is what convinced me to try out the game.

" I see no point in arguing about pricing, since if it worth it to you than enjoy your hobby they way you want to."

And people seem to be thinking it is worth it in record numbers these days.

One must also take in to account that just because GW is asking "X" amount for each set doesn't mean everyone else in their supply chain will. A quick glance over at Miniature Market shows all of the kits up for pre-order at less then MSRP. Up here in Canada, I've seen previews with the prices hacked down by 25% or more before the official launch.

@Legion – "Too much terrain/stuff" – There is no such thing as too much cover :P

Here's another view of the relative size of the 8mm AT Warlord Battle Titan, the 8mm AT Imperial Knight and a 28mm 40K Imperial Knight. The AT Warlord's even bigger than I thought. $110.00 USD doesn't seem overpriced at all now, does it?

I like them. I plan to get the Collector Box. It is not cheap, but this is my hobby. I don't mind to invest in my hobbies. I don't give a damm what other people may think about how I decide to spend my money.

Yes it's over-priced.
Yes I'm going to complain.
And yes, I'm still buying the big box.

Only myself to blame.

Happy gaming everyone.

@Legion 4: Thank you for posting these pictures!

Glad to help !

@Legion – "Too much terrain/stuff" – There is no such thing as too much cover :P

Amen to that Brother !

Yes It's overpriced.

It's not prohibitively expensive. After waiting a couple of weeks, I finally ordered the 40K Kill Team starter box set ($110.00), the Sector Mechanicus ($68.00) and Sector Munitorum ($68.00) expansions at very affordable prices and free shipping from Atomic Empire. For everything you get in the boxes the prices are fairly reasonable.

I'm not in a big rush to purchase AT at retail price immediately after it drops at my FLGS, so I expect similar savings down the line for those who are willing to wait.

Another advantage of waiting over getting it right now is that you can see if it catches on enough that you will find people to play in your local gaming group.

It is not cheap, but this is my hobby. I don't mind to invest in my hobbies. I don't give a damm what other people may think about how I decide to spend my money.

Good for you. Citadel minis can be addictive "plastic crack" that's hard to kick.

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Good intel pic !

Hmm, From the photo above I like the look of that $170 USD knight as a Titan more than the actual Titan.

I like the look of that $170 USD USD knight as a Titan more than the actual Titan.

I have one of those (called the Knight Castellan) and also the similar Knight Valiant for my Imperial Knight army. And I agree that it would make for a great titan.

$170 USD USD knight should be the equivalent of an Emperor class titan, where the 110 is only a warlord. Still, I think they priced me out of this one.

I heard the Grand Master set has already sold out in the UK … with resupply in 2019. But either of those details may or may not be true ? I also heard only one box will be sold to each customer. No hoarding, etc., I guess …

Also I'm not sure what you're talking about with the Orks vs. Chaos knights thing.

I was speaking of those three chaos knights that are a c-note. I don't suppose they are "grunt" chaos knights, but it's still just three guys on horses. News flash- they all cost the same to make.

And $65 USD is ridiculous for a dreadnought to begin with. The prices GW sets for their kits has jack to do with how much they cost to produce (and market, ship, etc)- its 90% about what they presume the market will bear. Everything else is a distant second. If their prices were more reasonable, more people would jump in on the hobby, and/or existing people would buy more of the same. This is cost prohibitive.

Back in the day, I had far less disposable income (or income at all, for that matter). Yet I had at least six armies for 40K and Warhammer, all but two Necromunda gangs, at least one of all but two different Man-O-War boxes, loads of epic, and I don't know what all else.

Somehow.

If it had all cost twice as much, would I have spent half as much money? No. I would likely have spent far less- if I feel the product is overcosted, I would be less likely to have invested in the game(s) in the first place.

This is a whole other GW game system. If you are already up to your ears in WH40K and AoS, you would likely be considerably less likely to jump into another money pit. So, instead of going into AT in a smaller way that I'd hoped, I won't at all. And what, then, for Epic to follow? Probably the same thing. I can't wait to see the price on an 8mm-scaled plastic land raider.

The fact that their "base set" and their "Getting Started" boxes are reasonably well-priced doesn't discount the fact that most all of their others are expensive as

I also heard only one box will be sold to each customer. No hoarding, etc., I guess … 

More likely it is to prevent enterprising opportunists from buying multiple copies, then breaking up the boxset contents and reselling them on EBay or on consignment for a healthy profit.

GW is learning not to undercut themselves by releasing too much product. When there's uncertainty in the demand for a product, it's better to play it safe and "encourage demand" by limiting supply than to release too much and oversaturate the market.

"I also heard only one box will be sold to each customer. No hoarding, etc., I guess … evil grin"

If you purchased from the GW website this is (was) certainly true, if purchased from other vendors not so much.;) I fully intend to game with my copies, hoarding never even crossed my mind. I bet E-Bay will have some seriously marked up boxes the closer it gets to Christmas time.

"And what, then, for Epic to follow?"

Pretty sure that GW said there won't be any Epic reboot. Certainly none with infantry, and it was suggested that if they do expand it will be with Titans (for the various races) and MAYBE ( a BIG MAYBE at that) tanks far down the road.

if purchased from other vendors not so much.;) I fully intend to game with my copies, hoarding never even crossed my mind. I bet E-Bay will have some seriously marked up boxes the closer it gets to Christmas time.

You can buy up to 4 copies of the AT Grand Master Edition at $246.50 USD each with no tax and free shipping right now on eBay. That's like $400.00 USD worth of stuff in each box if you get them a la carte.

Warlord Titan $110 USD × 2
Imp Knights ($35 for 3) × 2
Rules $60 USD
Small Terrain set $40 USD

Now I'm tempted to become one of them "enterprising opportunists" myself. Get a few boxes and wait for the holiday season.

If you purchased from the GW website this is (was) certainly true, if purchased from other vendors not so much.;)

Certainly there will be some enterprising "Capitalists" out there working around the "system" …

Pretty sure that GW said there won't be any Epic reboot. Certainly none with infantry, and it was suggested that if they do expand it will be with Titans (for the various races) and MAYBE ( a BIG MAYBE at that) tanks far down the road.

I heard the same … but with GW … you never know. But again personally I got all the Epic I need/want … And it's 6mm !

And It's 6mm !

But now 8mm is T1TS for AT. The 1 True Scale that is.

NEVER !!!! HERESY !!!! 6mm is God's scale !!!!