Buckeye AKA Darryl | 01 Aug 2018 5:15 p.m. PST |
Well, there it is…I want to do something colonial…could be British, French, German, etc., etc. Looking for fairly obscure, or at least not that mainstream. And I want to game it in 15mm. Whatever you suggest, I prefer the figures to be from one company, and the range to be complete, or pretty darn close to it. So, suggest away! |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 01 Aug 2018 5:29 p.m. PST |
Just off the top of my head I'd go with 15mm Maori Wars: link Its a dedicated range and the figures are really nice. I used them for my 15mm Canadians at Ridgeway. |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 01 Aug 2018 5:41 p.m. PST |
A couple other options are the Wars of Hawaiian Unification and the Tlingit/Russian conflicts in Alaska. Both have ranges in 15mm from Eureka: link link While the Hawaiian Wars weren't a true colonial war, some Americans(?) were pressed in action as was the captured ship Fair American.
The Tlingit conflict is interesting pitting the Natives against Russians. For Russians I imagine you could Use Napoleonic types. |
Glengarry5 | 01 Aug 2018 6:53 p.m. PST |
Tlingt VS Russians is a good suggestion but I wonder, did the Russians even have regular troops in Alaska? I'd be curious to know. In my imagination the Russians are a motley collection of rough fur trappers, Kalmucks, Siberian and Aleut auxiliaries looking more like Cossacks without the horses than regular soldiers. |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 01 Aug 2018 7:08 p.m. PST |
The Russian forces in 1804 are described as "soldiers, sailors, and company men". My guess is that the soldiers are probably marines from the 14 gun sloop Neva (formerly the British ship Thames). |
khanscom | 01 Aug 2018 7:12 p.m. PST |
"Russian America: The Great Alaskan Venture 1741- 1867" by Hector Chevigny gives quite a comprehensive view of the colonization effort. |
Lion in the Stars | 01 Aug 2018 7:30 p.m. PST |
Chaco War? Minis from Khurasan. Not exactly Colonial (1932-35!), but definitely obscure! |
DisasterWargamer | 01 Aug 2018 8:30 p.m. PST |
Qatar Persian Wars – mid 1850s – Persia with Britain, the Ottoman Empire and Russia – from 1820s and 1850s – Irregular has figures – terrain can range from Mountains to almost desert Here is a good list of conflicts you can draw from link |
Bashytubits | 01 Aug 2018 8:46 p.m. PST |
How about the 15mm Mapuche Indians from South America vs the Spanish, the Mapuche kept their independence from Spain and didn't lose it until the very early 20th century. link |
Robert Burke | 01 Aug 2018 11:27 p.m. PST |
In addition to Irregular Miniatures, Khurasan also has some Persian figures for the Anglo-Persian War. In terms of the Tlingits in Alaska, I came up with a list of possible 15mm figures for the Battle of Sitka: Cossacks/Russians Essex (Renaissance Cossacks) Eureka (Grumpys) Krelimin Miniatures (discontinued) Old Glory 15s
Inuits/Eskimos MY Miniatures Siberians/Koryaks Krelim Miniatures (discontinued) Tlingits Eureka Miniatures The Tlingits didn't wear sealskin or elk armor. They had wooden slat armor – very effective. Sealion skins and moosehides are both very tough, and elk were unknown there. There is a book on Amazon that is supposed to be very good on the subject and used Tlingit sources link |
Barry S | 02 Aug 2018 2:53 a.m. PST |
Robert, Thanks for the list. I believe the Siberians/Koyaks by Kremlin Miniatures are now available from MY Miniatures. MY Miniatures old site with photos – link MY Miniatures new site – link |
deflatermouse | 02 Aug 2018 2:53 a.m. PST |
The Kremlin Miniature Conquest of Siberia range was picked by Mick Yarrow Miniatures and you can order them at link |
deflatermouse | 02 Aug 2018 3:08 a.m. PST |
Dammit Barry, beat me to it |
blacksoilbill | 02 Aug 2018 4:04 a.m. PST |
I love the idea of this! Let us know what you go with. |
Glengarry5 | 02 Aug 2018 4:38 a.m. PST |
How hard can it be to post photos of figures? |
AICUSV | 02 Aug 2018 8:56 a.m. PST |
I still like The French invasion of Madagascar |
Ryan T | 02 Aug 2018 9:44 a.m. PST |
If one wants to do an obscure colonial battle or campaign and, to emphasize its' obscurity, keep it in the south 48 states of the US, two events come to mind. The first is the Villasur Expediton of 1720. The Spanish sent out a force of Spanish colonial troops and native allies from Santa Fe into what today is eastern Nebraska. In the vicinity of modern-day Columbus NE this small army was attacked by the Pawnee, possible accompanied by French "advisors" from New France. link The second colonial campaign is the naval raid by the Dutch on east coast of America in 1673-1674. The campaign "resulted in a major naval invasion of the Chesapeake Bay, the capture or destruction of nearly 200 English and French vessels", and "the former Dutch colony of New Netherland, comprised of New York, New Jersey, and Delaware, was recaptured for the United Provinces of the Netherlands and a provisional government was installed." Most of the actions consisted of ship-to-ship or ship-to-shore artillery exchanges, but the most memorable occurrence on land was the march of 600 conquering Dutch sailors and marines down Broad Way in New York. link |
rmaker | 02 Aug 2018 10:57 a.m. PST |
The Russian forces in 1804 are described as "soldiers, sailors, and company men". My guess is that the soldiers are probably marines from the 14 gun sloop Neva (formerly the British ship Thames). It should be noted that the Neva was not an Imperial Russian Navy vessel, but rather belonged to the Russian America Company. |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 02 Aug 2018 11:47 a.m. PST |
Rmaker, good point. Did the Russian American company have proper uniformed soldiers like other colonial companies? I may have to get some forces collected for Irregular Wars. |
Robert Burke | 02 Aug 2018 11:56 a.m. PST |
Good to know about Kremlin Miniatures being available from M.Y. Miniatures. I've done business with Mick Yarrow in the past and he's one of the good guys. I have an article written by Donald Featherstone on the Anglo-Persian War of 1857. If anyone would like a copy you can contact me directly at Burker1 (at) aol (dot) com. |
Shedman | 02 Aug 2018 2:39 p.m. PST |
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79thPA | 03 Aug 2018 6:51 a.m. PST |
Prince Albert: According to "Clothing in Colonial Russia: A New Look" by John Middleton civil servants wore a uniform frock coat and a cap, while RAC officers wore a naval uniform. An illustration of a company employee strikes one as an illustration of musket armed opolchenie of the Napoleonic Wars being a serf's overcoat, sash, trousers, boots and a soft cap. Sailors wore clothing similar to the navy, but no attempt was made to establish uniformity. All in all, everyone would look perfectly in place on a Napoleonic battlefield. Company uniforms were not introduced until 1851. |
Buckeye AKA Darryl | 03 Aug 2018 8:33 a.m. PST |
Soooo, this thread went off the rails, kinda. lol I hate to admit, I have Chaco War and Seminole War figures already. Enough of the latter to do Dade's Battle at 1:1. Unpainted of course. Both Khurasan and Irregular cover the Chaco War, the latter with a more extensive range. I do not consider Chaco as colonial though, in the I picked up a booklet on the Persians several months ago, but I do not believe their are enough complete lines out there, even with Khurasan and Irregular. The Russian/Tlingit thing is indeed a bit obscure…not sure if it piques my interest though. |
Lion in the Stars | 03 Aug 2018 3:00 p.m. PST |
I think I'd have to go with Bashy's suggestion of the Mapuche. Though with the length of the conflict, appropriate weapons will be 'interesting'. Argentina and Chile… hrm… I think I'd keep it to the Conquistadors time period, wrapping up into the early 1600s. War-flag for the Arauco War:
The next flare-up was in the 1850s, as Chile expanded. |
Henry Martini | 22 Mar 2019 4:42 p.m. PST |
I came across this old thread that I somehow missed at the time while doing a search. No doubt you've long since made up your mind; perhaps even bought, painted, and played with whatever forces you selected, but for others who might be thinking along the same lines… QRF makes a pack of Australian Aboriginal warriors. The opposing settlers and Native Mounted Police would have to be adapted or converted, but you'd only need a few of each – or you could play the early period when British infantry were sometimes deployed on the frontier. |