Cacique Caribe | 17 Jul 2018 6:22 a.m. PST |
For example, you happen to look up why someone was DHd and the thread the link takes you to shows no evidence that the person even posted anything there. Or the post count for a thread might read 12, and you remember having seen 12, but when you open it again you only find 8 of the 12. At that point you get a bit of a Twilight Zone or Gaslight feel, because the post count still reads 12. So you know you didn't imagine it. A bug didn't just eat them out of existence. I never thought I would ever say this but, it might be better to go back to the old system … just leave the name and time stamp in place and go back to having the word "Deleted" show up in place of text. If anything, for transparency's sake. Thoughts, anyone? Dan |
Daithi the Black | 17 Jul 2018 6:32 a.m. PST |
It's a website about toy soldiers. You're overthinking it. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Jul 2018 6:38 a.m. PST |
DTB: "It's a website about toy soldiers. You're overthinking it." I don't know what you are trying to say. This topic is in TMP Talk, a board set up to discuss the way the website is and about any issues related to posting. TMP Talk "For discussion of community issues involving the website …" TMP Bugs And Features: "For reporting website bugs and requesting new features" And that's what I'm doing here. So are you saying that you've noticed it and that it doesn't bother you or don't care? Or are you saying you haven't noticed it at all? Or is there a problem with discussing this issue? Dan |
roving bandit | 17 Jul 2018 6:49 a.m. PST |
Well it is supposed to be a "family friendly" site. So no, it does not bother me that when things get a bit out of hand, on a site about having fun playing games with toys, that a moderator steps in and removes things. Now if this was a political news site, or something like that, then I would be more concerned with people's views and expressions being removed. But this is a hobby site, meant to be for fun for people of lots of different age groups. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Jul 2018 6:50 a.m. PST |
I'm NOT objecting to the text itself being removed. I'm talking about the name of the author disappearing also, along with the time stamp. Dan PS. When you delete text there's always the risk of losing continuity. But if the text has to go, at least when the names and time stamps where left in place you would know that the current way the thread reads was not accidental (or that the people left still posting there were not talking to ghosts or replying to questions that don't appear in the thread). |
Editor in Chief Bill | 17 Jul 2018 6:57 a.m. PST |
I think you're confusing people with your choice of title. |
roving bandit | 17 Jul 2018 7:02 a.m. PST |
Oh, well I don't see that really mattering one way or the other once the text is gone. Leaving a blank entry that says >deleted< would be fine, but I don't really understand why you would need it there. |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Jul 2018 7:28 a.m. PST |
Editor: "I think you're confusing people with your choice of title" Typo. That second "are" definitely shouldn't be there. Dan |
Legion 4 | 17 Jul 2018 7:40 a.m. PST |
Well I can truthfully say this. TMP and those of us here are under less "attacks" from outside elements. And even big conflicts among ourselves as I has seen in the past. I'd imagine part of the that is when Bill purged the roster in IIRC, May ? Where many were locked out, etc. Now saying that I will freely admit that some of those were "friends" and I never was in conflict with, etc. And wish they still were here on TMP, IMO … But many I was very glad to see go. Agreeing to disagree should be how "well adjusted adults" do things. Not vitriol, derision, etc., … And to "sneak" on TMP to make personal attacks because you don't agree or dislike someone for whatever reasons is a frequently seen event on the net. As one can say what they want about/to another without fear of getting their kicked, etc. |
Daithi the Black | 17 Jul 2018 8:08 a.m. PST |
Hi Dan, I've noticed it. I've noticed that you noticed it. I've spoken openly and at length on my other account about my opinions of edited topics and the Dawghouse. I left for almost a year, but I came back when I couldn't remember why. These things totally happen. But they happen on every other toy soldier site I was playing on in the interim, it's just more visible here. So, no. It doesn't bother me and I don't care. As I have a lot of respect for you personally, I want to participate in your conversation about it :) |
attilathepun47 | 17 Jul 2018 9:36 a.m. PST |
I, for one, get what Cacique Caribe is concerned about. It smacks way too much of the old Soviet system. People who fell out of favor with the regime were not only sent to the Gulag or "liquidated," but were also removed from history texts--even their image was air brushed out of group photographs. So, this is a privately owned website and the editor may legally do as he pleases, but we are not obliged to applaud him for it. I stronly disapprove of his attitude and conduct. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 17 Jul 2018 10:50 a.m. PST |
Posts which break forum rules are deleted. The chief reasons this happens are (1) personal attacks on other forum members and (2) inappropriate insertion of modern politics to a discussion. In addition, to keep the topic readable, those posts which commented on the now-deleted post are also removed. |
etotheipi | 17 Jul 2018 11:23 a.m. PST |
It smacks way too much of the old Soviet system. People who fell out of favor with the regime were not only sent to the Gulag or "liquidated," but were also removed from history texts--even their image was air brushed out of group photographs. Having had two uncles who lived in that system, I find that comparison lacks merit. You don't get removed. Everything you posted in the past doesn't get erased from history. I have a cousin who was sent to the Gulags; I will not discuss the merits of that part of the comparison. If you post something inappropriate, it gets removed. I understand Cacique Caribe's point, but don't agree that the placeholders for removed add to the conversation. I always saw them as a kind of shaming function (Member XYZ couldn't control himself at 1347 PST on July 17th, 2015) that we had moved beyond with the deletion Ignore counts in profiles. It's a legitimate viewpoint and question, though. My (personal) answer is no, it has not become too sanitized. |
Vigilant | 17 Jul 2018 12:42 p.m. PST |
Not sure why you should want this Dan, since you were the only person to be Dawghoused in the last couple of months? The current method calls the general offence and that is usually enough to figure out from the rest of the posts what the issue was. |
Joes Shop | 17 Jul 2018 1:09 p.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 17 Jul 2018 1:14 p.m. PST |
Good Lord. Comparing being unable to post for 7 Days to the Gulag. This is a toy soldier site. What's wrong with "sanitized"? Like my namesake I have learned that sometimes bad behavior leads to the rat mask.
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Legion 4 | 17 Jul 2018 1:48 p.m. PST |
Not sure why you should want this Dan, since you were the only person to be Dawghoused in the last couple of months? No I'm sure at least Gunfreak was DH'd also recently … He's still in there ! |
Cacique Caribe | 17 Jul 2018 3:46 p.m. PST |
LOL. Now some of these posts have made me wonder … If we are going to have the name and time stamp disappear from the screen whenever the text of an "offending" post is removed … then perhaps whenever we Stifle people, their name and time stamp should also disappear from our screen, and not just their text. :) It would be about the same idea, wouldn't it? In fact, it would probably make more sense with the Stifles than with selective deletions, seeing as how with Stifles we already view anything that specific person says as being absolutely inconsequential. The Editor might delete the name and time stamp in part so as not to be reminded that an "offending" post was ever there and so, by the same token, we might not want to be reminded that an "offending" person that we chose to Stifle has ever posted on any thread at all. :) Dan |
Editor in Chief Bill | 17 Jul 2018 3:59 p.m. PST |
Dan, I'm confused about what you are polling about. Are you objecting to posts being deleted? Or are you objecting to particular posts being deleted? Or are you objecting to the manner of deletion – i.e., grey box vs gone? |
Cacique Caribe | 18 Jul 2018 8:46 a.m. PST |
Bill Perhaps this is more of a discussion than a poll suggestion after all. Like I said above, I have no problem with removing any text that clearly violates the website's rules. That is always going to happen, though there are many posts that are completely removed even when there were parts of it that offered valid suggestions. Snips might be the best option in most cases instead of a total removal. Now, what is left behind in place of a removed post is the issue here. I prefer the previous system, which inserted the word "Deleted" in place of the text that was removed. And the main reason I liked that system is because, when the names and time stamps remained, then the reader wasn't left wondering about any lack of continuity in the remaining posts, or aboutwhy the thread is shorter than it used to be. Also, as I said, the previous system also helped convey more of a sense of transparency on the part of the editors, instead of looking as though they were trying to doctor the entire discussion to erase every single reference made to the now-deleted posts. Dan |