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Tango0116 Jul 2018 3:37 p.m. PST

… Far Different Than What We Saw in ‘The Last Jedi'

"We all know the story by now: Star Wars: The Force Awakens introduced us to Rey (Daisy Ridley), a young woman who was abandoned by her parents on Jakku to live the life of a scavenger. She's eventually swept into galactic action, but the question of her parentage loomed large over the film.

Star Wars fandom spent two years speculating about who her parents were, until Rian Johnson's Star Wars: The Last Jedi gave a definitive answer: they were no one of any importance. But now Simon Pegg, who played a role in The Force Awakens and is a longtime collaborator of writer/director J.J. Abrams, says Abrams' initial plan for Rey's parents was very different…"
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robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP16 Jul 2018 3:47 p.m. PST

Abrams had a plan? Doesn't seem likely.

I paid for the Star Trek reboot. I paid for the Star Wars reboot. Neither was actually a movie. They were promissory notes, telling me how great some future movie was going to be--trailers two hours long, and feeling longer. If I ever go to a JJ Abrams movie again, I will DESERVE to be ripped off.

Col Durnford16 Jul 2018 3:49 p.m. PST

I thought Ray was the last name. Only now do I find out that it's her first and middle name and her last name is Binks.

14th NJ Vol16 Jul 2018 4:56 p.m. PST

VCarter, Ok that one got me "Ray Ray Binks".
LOL

Thanks

PrivateSnafu16 Jul 2018 5:25 p.m. PST

Lucas has always said Star Wars is for the kids so the opinions so regularly expressed on TMP are irrelevant.

I like Star Wars and so does my retirement account.

mpschaefer16 Jul 2018 9:49 p.m. PST

Personally, I always liked the theory that she was somehow a Kenobi as I felt there was more to him than what we have been given so far. His interaction with Dexter suggested he'd been around the block and therefore it was likely he hadn't quite kept to the rule of avoiding attachment on Tatooine.

In any case, with the story pushing the Living Force vs Cosmic Force, I suspect parentage probably no longer really matters as the "awakening" of the cosmic force is likely going to be the explanation to the sudden occurrence of rather powerful and sensitive force users like Rey.

Patrick R17 Jul 2018 2:15 a.m. PST

The mystery box is all fine and dandy if you have a half-decent idea to back it up.

Except that nowadays most movies and shows are created during a brainstorming session.

"What if Rey has a mysterious past ?"

They throw out all these ideas, somebody shouts "This movie writes itself !" they pat each other on the back, have pizza and the next morning they task the intern to stitch it all together by 9am Thursday.

JJ has this thing for the mystery box and setting up weird and mysterious stuff has been a staple of a lot of recent fiction like Lost, Battlestar Galactica and the new Star Wars trilogy.

And in most of these cases they figure they can get away with somebody shaking the bushes making a spooky sound and dropping the odd weird hint.

The real problem is that the resolution is usually a "we'll figure something when we finally get there" type solution. And they either discover that the internet has already figured out every single detail and you have to pretend your Bleeped text cover story will confuse people long enough for them not to notice all you had was a dumb ending hotglued onto the final episode.

Now there was no way that Abrams would come up with a satisfactory answer to who Rey was, if she was a Kenobi or a secret Skywalker, it would be lazy, if it was something a bit more creative like a reincarnated Annakin, it would only raise more questions. And if anything it would make the saga into a kind of incestuous fanservice show.

Star Wars doesn't have much more to offer than lightsabers, space wizards and a constant battle between good and evil with a few droids and spaceships thrown in. And even if you tried something different, the fans would go crazy anyway.

Ryan pretty much did the sensible thing and nuked the idea that she could only be the secret daughter of a core character and that Snoke was going to have this really amazing mind-bending backstory and turn out to be the most unexpected character return like Luuke, Luke's evil clone, or it would be a really dumb one like "Snoke is really the second Ugnaught on the right and we'll have somebody write a novel to explain it all" Which brings us to the looming shadow of the EU, which has become a kind of impossible ignore Hadith to a bunch of vocal fans who will settle for nothing less than a stream of EU adaptations, because "Da buhks !!!"

The problem is that Abrams' mystery box setup caused more problems than anything. It was a well-made but badly written film.

Ryan at least had the nerve to cut the wires and come up with something the internet hive-mind capable of spouting a million possible story iterations every single second of the two year gap between films had foreseen, but did not retain. Ryan had much better ideas, but his better-written film was riddled with fragmentary story and exposition and shoddily made movie in general.

There is no way Abrams could come up with something that wouldn't disappoint on some level.

And the fan backlash is going to cause Abrams to come up with a dumb retcon "Yes, Rey is actually …" in an attempt to salvage the whole thing.

There is a reason Lucas outside of a few statements within a very narrow period never mentioned the sequels again, because he understood that no matter what he tried he would simply end up doing more of the same and while Lucas has his faults he at least tried to cover new ground with the prequels, his trilogy did have a good and definite end.

That's the big difference between Marvel and Star Wars, the former has a near unlimited pool of characters and possibilities, the other is always going to be about laserswords, eternal struggle between light and dark with some gimmicks thrown in.

Tgerritsen Supporting Member of TMP17 Jul 2018 7:53 a.m. PST

I thought Monty Python determined the parentage of Rey:

"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries."

15mm and 28mm Fanatik17 Jul 2018 8:09 a.m. PST

@ Patrick R

I don't think JJ Abrams can get away with making-it-up-as-he-goes-along or winging it like he did with 'Lost' and his other shows in SW because a film trilogy isn't an open-ended TV show where you just don't know how many seasons it's going to last.

A movie trilogy is a closed loop with a definite beginning and end. I'm pretty sure he already knows how Episode IX is going to play out when he completed shooting TFA. Rian Johnson's middle installment is just filler and won't change the overall arc of the story.

I agree with you that JJ shouldn't try to rewrite Ep IX to please the fans who don't like the new characters (e.g., Rey, Finn and Rose) for whatever reasons and how their favorite characters are portrayed (e.g. Luke). Many of these disgruntled fans are going to boycott Ep IX anyway for sexist/racist or non-sexist/non-racist reasons, so there's really nothing to be gained from retracting plot elements in the previous films and trying to please them with a fan-service movie.

Augustus17 Jul 2018 8:46 a.m. PST

It makes no difference. The damage done is enough to pretty muxh sideline Star Wars as a franchise and shows the story is exhausted. There isn't much left post-Rian to work with end even less that makes sense. In short, imho, Rian Johnson put the last nail in the coffin. A total reboot may be the only thing that makes sense, but it won't happen.

Shrug. The last film made me just close my eyes and walk away from this franchise. It's gone off track and off message. Imho.

Patrick R17 Jul 2018 10:01 a.m. PST

Kennedy stated in 2015 that there was no clear roadmap for the trilogy. While Johnson and Abrams did work together on the script for TLJ they don't seem to have had much influence on each other.

Johnson then started to script episode IX, but was replaced by Trevorrow who was to write and direct until he and Lucasfilm disagreed and they decided to call in Abrams again in September 2017.

If Abrams was indeed supposed to have it all worked out, there is not much sign of it.

It seems that Kennedy was more than happy to let the movies work out themselves, much like Lucas used to do.

As for fanservice the Solo movie tried that and it didn't work out.

I doubt very much that Star Wars is done, all new films have made over a billion in revenue and only Solo failed at the box office (before you try disprove that, know that the estimated total cost of the original planned film and 70% reshoots is estimated to be around 450-500 mil, and barely made 400 mil at the box office and the rule of thumb is that you have to double the cost before you make money, so it's about 400 mil short of breaking even.)

I think the perception that the Star Wars films are a failure is due to the highly vocal fans who only represent a small percentage of the total moviegoing public who now have full time jobs reporting every single "daily disaster" that befalls Disney and Lucasfilm, most of which only exist in their fevered minds.

Roderick Robertson Fezian17 Jul 2018 11:44 a.m. PST

So, you always believe the evil kid when he says "oh, you're nobody"? Just because Darth was telling the truth, doesn't mean Kylo Ren was. And wasn't the whole "mind merge" manipulated by the Evil Overlord?

Sure, Evil Overlords never, ever manipulate what the hero perceives to their own advantage.

Garand18 Jul 2018 10:19 a.m. PST

So, you always believe the evil kid when he says "oh, you're nobody"? Just because Darth was telling the truth, doesn't mean Kylo Ren was.

This is true. How exactly would Kylo know the fate of Rey's parents anyway?

Damon.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jul 2018 8:51 p.m. PST

I blame JJ Abrams much less than I blame Rian Johnson. His writing is terrible. How many original-trilogy ideas and catch phrases does he need to regurgitate?

Zephyr120 Jul 2018 3:03 p.m. PST

"How exactly would Kylo know the fate of Rey's parents anyway?"

Probably brother & sister split up after they were born? Wouldn't be the first time it happened in SW… ;-)

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