"Lifeguard Cossacks organisation" Topic
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Prof Pate | 15 Jul 2018 4:37 p.m. PST |
So I've had a look at the few sources I can see/have and despite the clear differences of opinion – even the same author offers contradictory information I'm going with 1799-1812 three Squadrons of Don Cossack as core Lifeguard. They are armed, train as regular troops. This means these squadrons are approx 158 all ranks (combat). although initially may have been larger – 179(?) and count as Guard Lancers. One Sotnia each Black Sea and Ural Cossacks. These are equally paid/drilled etc but unit size is 125 (field). Ural was used as palace guard but Black Sea was a combat unit in the Lifeguard Cavalry Division. They too are Guard Lancers.
1813 extra regular Don Squadron and two more in 1814. What's the hive opinion please? PS THE Ataman regiment may have had up two, five Sotnia Battalions. Initially these may have been just one Polk of five and at the larger (179) strength (German WWII analysis of Cossacks in Napoleonic period). Same source indicates this unit was maintained at near OB strength, however other sources offer the smaller Sotnias and at Borodino unit was at seven, 100 kazak, Sotnias to cover for campaign losses. |
Prince of Essling | 16 Jul 2018 6:05 a.m. PST |
According to Viskovatov (translations from Mark Conrad)see Volumes VII link and X link 7 November 1796 – From the Leib-Hussar Squadron and Cossack Convoy Command at the HIGHEST Court, and from the Hussar and Cossack regiments of the Gatchina force, there was formed a four-squadron regiment called the Leib-Cossack Regiment 14 November 1796 – The Leib-Hussar Cossack Regiment was ordered to be considered on the same basis with [schitat' na odnom osnovanii s] the Life-Guards Horse Regiment 3 December 1796 – The Hussars in the Leib-Hussar Cossack Regiment were ordered to be named the Leib-Hussar Regiment [Leib-Gusarskii polk] and, as before, consist of two squadrons. Until further direction, the Cossacks were to remain with the regiment, under the name of the Leib-Cossack Squadron[Leib-Kazachii eskadron] 24 January 1798 – From the two Leib-Cossack squadrons with the Leib-Hussar Regiment there was formed a Leib-Cossack Regiment [Leib-Kazachii polk] in its own right 18 March 1799 – Three more squadrons was added to the Leib-Cossack Regiment. 24 May 1799 – The Leib-Cossack Regiment was ordered to consist of three squadrons instead of five After all these changes that occurred in the composition and titles of the forces in the Guards Cavalry, by 1801 it consisted of: 1) Cavalier Guards Regiment—of three squadrons. 2) His Imperial Highness Constantine Pavlovich's Life-Guards Regiment—of five squadrons. 3) Leib-Hussar Regiment—of two five-squadron battalions. f) Leib-Cossack Regiment—of three squadrons. 18 May 1811– The L.-Gds. Black Sea Sotnia [L.-Gv. Chernomorskaya sotnya] was formed from officers and the most distinguished cossacks of the Black Sea Host and, just as the Life-Ural Sotnia, established in 1798, it was assigned to the Guards Cavalry Division [Gvardeiskaya Kavaleriiskaya diviziya], composed of two brigades. In the 1st Brigade were the Dragoon and Lancer regiments, and in the 2nd—the Hussar and Cossack regiments and both the Black Sea and Ural sotnias. The Chevalier Guards and Horse regiments formed the 1st Brigade of the 1st Cuirassier Division 1 August 1815– Two more squadrons were added to the establishment of the L.Guards Cossack Regiment That said Stephen Summerfield's book "Cossack Hurrah" – has the Leib-Garde Polk in 1812 with 3 Don Cossack sotnias and the Black-Sea Leib-Garde Sotnia – total strength 500 men Turning to the Ataman Regiment – Summerfield says founded in 1803 with a filed strength of 1,000 men in 10 Sotnias during wartime. In 1812 commanded by Colonel Balabin, it formed part of the independent Cossack Corps of Don army commanded by Platov. Elsewhere he shows 2 Polks of 5 Sotnias each – Summerfield shows this operating at Borodino in 2 separate "battalions" – one part with Lt Col Vlastov III and the other with Platov. |
Prince of Essling | 16 Jul 2018 8:37 a.m. PST |
Also see Mark Conrad's translation at link of "A Complete Listing of All Cossack Formations in 1812. By Dr. Frhr. von Baumgartner with 8 pictures by Rudolf Trache after contemporary originals. (Translation of "Vollständiges Verzeichnis aller Kosaken-Formationen 1812," by Dr. Freiherr von Baumgartner, in Zeitschrift für Heeres- und Uniformkunde, Deutsche Gesellschaft für Heereskunde, 1943/II, Nr. 124/125, August 1943, pages 33-55.)" 1. Don Host (formed about 1550). a) One Life-Guards Regiment (raised 1798) of 3 squadrons, commander Major General Graf Orlov-Denisov. Counted as part of the regular guards cavalry, and so organized in regard to staff, squadrons, and train, with the men always uniformed and armed according to regulation (at government expense), the rank titles of officers and non-commissioned officers the same as in the army. Also, this was the only true cossack regiment with a trumpeter, and likewise the men wore spurs in accordance with regulations. No flags! The prescribed strength of a squadron was 6 officers (inluding one field-grade officer as commander), 1 sergeant [vakhmistr], 12 non-commissioned officers (including 2 trumpeters), and 160 guard cossacks (including 16 marksmen with muskets). The staff consisted of 4 officers (including 1 major general as commander) and 1 staff-trumpeter (a sergeant). The combat strength of the regiment was thus 542 men. Noncombatants (administration, medical, veterinary, train, and officers' servants) amounted to about 43 men with at least 9 wagons (exclusive of the officers' train!). The total strength was thus some 585 men. 2. Ural Host. (Formed on the Ural River in 1577, until 1775 called the Yaik Host after the river that at the time was known by that same name.) a) One Guard Sotnia (raised 1798), commander unknown (a field-grade officer). The unit was part of the Don Guard Regiment and thus counted as part of the regular guard cavalry. The same distinctions that characterized the guard Don cossacks also applied to this guard sotnia, with only the designation of sotnia indicating a lower strength than a Don guard squadron. Nevertheless it had a somewhat larger complement than a normal sotnia, numbering some 5 officers, 120 men, and 6 noncombatants. The total strength was therefore 131 men. No flags, no documented record of a trumpeter! During the whole of 1812 and also in the following two war years the sotnia performed guard duties at the imperial palace in St. Petersburg. 7. Black-Sea Host (raised 1792 from former Zaporozhians). a) 1 Guard Sotnia (raised 1811), commander Colonel Bursak. Organization, etc., the same as for the Guard Ural Sotnia. It took part in the campaign against Napoleon from the very beginning, being a sub-unit of the Don Guard Regiment. |
Prof Pate | 16 Jul 2018 9:05 a.m. PST |
Thanks Prince of Essling. Given the divergent data what would you say was the ToE? |
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