Tango01 | 14 Jul 2018 10:27 p.m. PST |
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Artilleryman | 15 Jul 2018 1:37 a.m. PST |
Excellent. Some horse holders. |
deadhead | 15 Jul 2018 2:24 a.m. PST |
Wish I had known. I wanted horse holders for RHA, so invested in Union ACW horse holders from Perrys……for the horses anyway. Intended their plastic Light Dragoons for the rider (mounted). The snag is the Tarleton and jacket may be right, but the challenge is the "infantry style" kit they carry. On these the carbine is the problem. But as LDs they are great addition to their firing line light cavalry. If only they had UK stockists
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45thdiv | 15 Jul 2018 3:29 a.m. PST |
From the picture it looks like they are holding a dirty nappy or taking out the trash. I am sure it is just the angle the figures are in, straight on. I see that we have to clean up a lot of flashing from the picture as well. |
deadhead | 15 Jul 2018 5:31 a.m. PST |
The pins you see (rather than flash, strictly speaking) are easier dealt with. The challenge is to find them all. Guaranteed that some will only appear at the painting stage. Very much a feature of Perrys as well, but, by now, I know where to find them on any riding figure (toes, heels, tip of scabbard, base of the cartouche etc) I think that a light highlight on black undercoat would separate the reins, which, let's face it, had to be gathered together like this. My only doubt is….did horseholders dismount? I had planned mounted, if I ever get around to it!
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Artilleryman | 15 Jul 2018 6:38 a.m. PST |
Good point Deadhead. Horse holders tended to stay mounted. For a horse holder with, say three other horses, if you dismount then you are trying control four horses. Stay mounted and it is only three. As a modern example, regard the King's Troop RHA. |
deadhead | 15 Jul 2018 10:31 a.m. PST |
I refuse to respond to Artilleryman…. He is totally off my radar. I am disgusted He suggested the Brigade Games figs could be Chass a Cheval de La G Imp or even Art a Cheval…… Mrs Deadhead says he has much to answer for…. I have spent a fortune following his latest suggestion! Results soon…bill to Artilleryman (way most the lost expensive mounted united ever in my work) Never thought I would support the insanity of Brexit (esp as I have an Irish passport anyway) but let me hope that that weird POTUS chap with the combover can work out a deal where we can get US figures cheaper than those from EU. |
Lambert | 15 Jul 2018 10:56 a.m. PST |
Speaking from total ignorance, which I'll now demonstrate, I'd always assumed that horse holders would dismount. If the horse holder stays mounted, he still has to control the horse he's sitting on so I'm not sure why that's any easier. But I'll happily take the word of those who know better. |
Artilleryman | 15 Jul 2018 11:52 a.m. PST |
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Garde de Paris | 15 Jul 2018 12:07 p.m. PST |
In the 1700's French Dragoons designated 1 man in 10 to hold the horses, while the battalion formed a grenadier unit, and went into action as infantry. I have no idea when the US ACW practice of one mounted soldier holding the horses of 3 other, fighting on foot. Prussian dragoons under Frederick the Great had wooden stakes tied along their muskets, butt down in a boot, so the must also have fought on foot. I do not know who held what for them. GdeP |
ConnaughtRanger | 15 Jul 2018 2:31 p.m. PST |
I just use the Front Rank RHA Gunners minus their linstocks. I have them dismounted to give the horse – and their backside – a rest? |
Tango01 | 15 Jul 2018 3:06 p.m. PST |
Glad you like them boys!. (smile) Amicalement Armand |
dBerczerk | 16 Jul 2018 1:25 p.m. PST |
"that weird POTUS chap with the combover" Really? Had to go there? If I were not such a nice guy, I'd be tempted to say, "shove it up your crumpet!" |
deadhead | 17 Jul 2018 3:19 a.m. PST |
You are right and apologies. Inappropriate If a trade deal does result in me being able to purchase a new pair of Altama boots without the hassle of import duty, I will take it all back. Poor Artilleryman took the real abuse for suggesting the Garde cavalry conversions. I could not resist that and, though I do say so myself…. |
von Winterfeldt | 17 Jul 2018 3:55 a.m. PST |
Prussian dragoons under Frederick the Great had wooden stakes tied along their muskets, butt down in a boot, so the must also have fought on foot. I do not know who held what for them. not really, also cuirasiers did have thrse poles – the wooden pole was for camp – to fix the horses – so that they did not stroll off. |
Artilleryman | 17 Jul 2018 4:34 a.m. PST |
All is understood …. and forgiven. |
seneffe | 17 Jul 2018 2:40 p.m. PST |
Yes the picket pole was a very standard piece of equipment for cavalry of all nations for use in camp. Often strapped to the carbine when on the march but always detached before the troops went into action. |
AICUSV | 25 Jul 2018 1:56 p.m. PST |
I'm not sure about using 1 in 10 to hold horses. I would think that this was more of a guard, with the mounts being tied to picket pins or post. I do know that during the ACW the horse holder was actually only controlling his mount, the other 3 mounts were hooked to one another by means of a link strap. This was a short leather strap with a snap clip on it. It would run from the bit of one horse to the one next to it. This would form a chain of 4 horses. By controlling his mount, the holder used his horse to control the others. One man would have an issue controlling a rearing horse just by holding it by its lead line or reins (know from experience). The use of picket pins would greatly increase the amount of time required to deploy on foot or to remount. Given the rate of fire of an ACW cavalry man over his enemy, it would general permit the 25% reduction in man power and allow for more rapid maneuvering. Then as infantry weapons rate came to match the cav.'s the time element still retained its importance. Then as the infantry surpassed in fire power – well we all know what happened. |
Tango01 | 28 Jul 2018 10:37 a.m. PST |
Glad you like them my friend!. (smile) Amicalement Armand |