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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2018 3:39 p.m. PST

…. Beach With Modern Weapons?

"The most important difference between 1944 and today would be in the realm of guided munitions. I once heard that a single F-15 packs as much firepower as an entire squadron of World War II–era bombers when you take into account explosive weight and the percentage of ordnance you can get on target. (Keep in mind, the F-15 is a fighter/bomber, not a dedicated bomber. If we start talking about the B-52, things get even crazier.) Additionally, naval gun fire support has come a long way since the 1940s. U.S. destroyers and cruisers now only come equipped with one or two 5-inch main guns. In the 1940s, 5-inch guns were almost considered an afterthought. With improved fuses and nearly automatic rates of fire that can be achieved with today's weapons, you wouldn't need the hours and hours of shelling they used during World War II landings…."
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Lee49413 Jul 2018 4:02 p.m. PST

Oh gimmie a break! First you'd never have an Omaha today. Who has a million man army to plunk down in bunkers? Second even if someone did all the fancy Smart Bombs in the arsenal wouldn't make a dent. The smartest bet would be to use a few of our remaining flyable 50 year old B52s to carpet bomb them into oblivion. Outside of providing some tac air strikes our navy today is a toothless tiger unless you want to nuke them with a Tomahawk or Ballistic Missle. Heck, our navy can't even navigate without running into things. If our armed forces had to fight Omaha today the Nazis would win. Sad but true. Cheers!

TacticalPainter0113 Jul 2018 4:12 p.m. PST

Fascinating. Perhaps we could have another one asking whether Custer would have survived Little Big Horn if his men had body armour and close air support?

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian13 Jul 2018 6:02 p.m. PST

Heck if Custer had a half Battery of guns…

deephorse14 Jul 2018 3:43 a.m. PST

Is this drivel assuming that the defenders are still 1944 Germans and not a force with equally modern weapons as the attacker?

Gaz004514 Jul 2018 3:56 a.m. PST

The best comparison is the static fortified positions of the Iraqi army that was taken apart by Coalition air power with guided munitions and long range fire…….then just roll up and mop up.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP14 Jul 2018 6:03 a.m. PST

Gaz0045, my thought exactly.

Personal logo Waco Joe Supporting Member of TMP14 Jul 2018 6:25 a.m. PST

If worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't mess with 'em.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jul 2018 11:15 a.m. PST

Ha-Ha-Ha….

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4th Cuirassier16 Jul 2018 1:42 a.m. PST

I was interested to read in Keegan's 'Face of Battle' book that had NATO faced a position like the German position on the Somme in 1916, the doctrine was that you would just nuke it.

Legion 416 Jul 2018 8:28 a.m. PST

Heck if Custer had a half Battery of guns…
IIRC he left 4 Gatling Guns back in his Field Trains … wink


The best comparison is the static fortified positions of the Iraqi army that was taken apart by Coalition air power with guided munitions and long range fire…….then just roll up and mop up.
Yep …


Is this drivel assuming that the defenders are still 1944 Germans and not a force with equally modern weapons as the attacker?
If the Germans were using WWII or probably even modern weapons, etc., there might be the same outcome. In the long run, either way, IMO …

the doctrine was that you would just nuke it.
We'd just use Cruise Missiles from sea & air today … No fallout, EMP, etc.

Just a lot of very accurate "Boom" …

Lion in the Stars16 Jul 2018 8:16 p.m. PST

With all the precision-guided weapons around today?

We'd see how many of those bunkers could withstand a direct hit from a 2000lb Laser-guided bomb (my guess: None).

No naval gunfire support, this would be pure air support.

Each infantryman is probably carrying one AT4 antitank rocket to pop bunkers.

If we got really good suppression of the shore defenses, I might even skip the landing craft for driving the landing ships straight onto the beach.

Legion 417 Jul 2018 8:00 a.m. PST

Yes, LGBs, JDAMs, Drones, MOABs/MOPs, etc., would probably be a game changer. Even if both sides had them …

Air Superiority, SEADS, etc. would be a big advantage for the invaders, as it was in WWII.

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