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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2018 5:45 a.m. PST

Hello everyone ,

Where to find – in 25/30 mm figures – Burgundian petardiers of the second half of the fifteenth with hand-hurled naptha bomb ?

Thank you

Griefbringer08 Jul 2018 4:16 a.m. PST

I cannot recall having seen any such figures – never mind any wargaming rules making a mention of such.

I guess you could try converting a figure with open hands, e.g. something from the Perry plastics, though they tend not to be in throwing poses.

The Last Conformist08 Jul 2018 10:30 a.m. PST

They're found in WRG army lists, if nothing else.

Foundry does a set:

link

GurKhan09 Jul 2018 12:21 a.m. PST

Foundry's petard that TLC links to is a 17th-century ECW model, and is a different sort of thing entirely. The dictionaries mostly seem to say that "petard" only originated in the 16th century, so the WRG lists may have the wrong word for the C15th Burgundian powder-pot chuckers.

What the "Burgundians" are supposed to be using is a firepot proto-grenade, probably not too different from the Crusade-era ones discussed at link . There are a few in mediaeval illustrations and the reconstruction in Terry Wise's Osprey "Wars of the Roses" claims to be based on "Royal MS 14, E.IV" which is available at link but I don't know what page. See the figure on the left at

picture
for the kind of thing.

I don't know of any figures but they should be easy to convert – almost any armoured figure with a blob of putty in his hand for the "grenade".

Griefbringer09 Jul 2018 12:55 a.m. PST

The dictionaries mostly seem to say that "petard" only originated in the 16th century, so the WRG lists may have the wrong word for the C15th Burgundian powder-pot chuckers.

Checking my sources, the 15th century Burgundian records apparently make mention of some sort of incendiary missile known as "fusee".

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP09 Jul 2018 10:04 p.m. PST

Thank you all especially Gurkhan for the illustration that shows what it is.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Jul 2018 1:23 a.m. PST

Now from memory, the only specific figurines for them were in the 25 mm Naismith burgundian range, where to find them ..?

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