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06 Jul 2018 2:55 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "USA Invation of Venezuela?" to "USA Invasion of Venezuela?"


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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jul 2018 10:02 p.m. PST

Interesting wargame….(smile)

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Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 3:58 a.m. PST

As a game … maybe.
As a viable mission … he'll no!

Dan

28mm Fanatik06 Jul 2018 7:21 a.m. PST

The risks are more political than military. Even if a regime change in Venezuela pulls off like clockwork just as Grenada and Panama did under the Reagan administration, the US will be painted as the bad guys, i.e. yankee imperialists setting up puppet governments in Latin America like some big bully on the block.

I'm actually kinda surprised that the CIC didn't overrule his advisors and did it anyway.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 9:42 a.m. PST

Venezuela is in the process of imploding. We need to keep a good distance from that mess, let it do it's thing, and not get involved with the factions over there. Cuba and Bolivia might try to get other nations (mainly China) to help keep things looking alive, and they'll have a Weekend At Bernie's thing for a while, if those two don't implode themselves first* that is. :)

After it collapses … then we might consider offering some limited help, in exchange for some of their fine crude of course. We had already drilled plenty of wells years back, and we need to uncap them and get them producing again so that we can diversify our oil sources again and not depend too much on any one region of the world. No loans, no grants. Oil only. They have loads and loads of it.

Dan
* Nicaragua is out of the picture in that Marxist Weekend at Bernie's event while it is dealing with its own civil unrest issues.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 10:54 a.m. PST

Be Aware of Mexico now my good friend!…. a truly danger there….

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 11:37 a.m. PST

Indeed. During his running he said he wanted to give amnesty for a lot of the cartels. I'm sure he's been bought and paid for already by one or two of them, the ones he wants to show leniency toward.

Dan

28mm Fanatik06 Jul 2018 12:30 p.m. PST

We'll just have to unleash "El Sicario" on them then: link

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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 1:16 p.m. PST

Wow. I have yet to see Sicario. My wife has a big crush on my puffy-faced paisano, so I know that I will eventually see it. It's inevitable. I can never deny her anything.

Plus it has Emily Blunt, right? I have a little crush on her. :)

Dan

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 2:18 p.m. PST

the US will be painted as the bad guys, i.e. yankee imperialists setting up puppet governments in Latin America like some big bully on the block.

You've lost me: how what that not be an accurate assessment of an invasion of an independent country, notwithstanding that the Venezuelan government is pretty poor?

28mm Fanatik06 Jul 2018 2:27 p.m. PST

'Sicario' and its sequel 'Sicario: Day of the Soldado' are both great, though Emily (John Krasinski's a lucky guy eh?) wasn't in the sequel.

I'm sure he's been bought and paid for already by one or two of them, the ones he wants to show leniency toward.

But not by him apparently.

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@ochoin,

That's exactly how the rest of the world will see it. Hence the problem is more political than military. Which you can also say is the case of Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian06 Jul 2018 2:56 p.m. PST

You've lost me: how what that not be an accurate assessment of an invasion of an independent country, notwithstanding that the Venezuelan government is pretty poor?

Given that the Venezuelan government is no longer democratic, the invading force could be seen as liberating force.

28mm Fanatik06 Jul 2018 3:19 p.m. PST

<Given that he Venezuelan government is no longer democratic, the invading force could be seen as liberating force.

That's assuming everybody wants a liberal democratic society like ours, which is no longer the case or may never have been the case. As hard as it may be for us to believe, there are people who prefer central authority and the order that comes with it. They see liberal democracies as too fragmented and chaotic.

USAFpilot06 Jul 2018 3:27 p.m. PST

Another "unnamed source" story by the msm which means it lacks credibility. Poorly written; quality of journalism is in the dumps.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 3:53 p.m. PST

28mmFanatik: "Not by him apparently"

He mentioned many more a few months ago when he was running for office. I think he wants to be the next great negotiator and liberator of narco-terrorists.

Or maybe he just needs to pay back the cartels for some hefty campaign contributions? :)

Dan

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Ha! MexicoNewsNetwork already took down the December 2017 story about his plans for negotiating with the cartels. Go figure. So I guess their new President has something in common with Erdogan, I'm of course referring to his apparent effect on media?

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 4:11 p.m. PST

the invading force could be seen as liberating force.

Maybe so. But without at least UN sanction, surely no country – Russia, China & even the US – should be allowed to decide who to "liberate". Rather a slippery slope.

Lion in the Stars06 Jul 2018 4:55 p.m. PST

Given that the Venezuelan government is no longer democratic, the invading force could be seen as liberating force.

Not with all the socialist governments in the world.

And I guarantee that the Chinese and Russians will make an issue of it.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 5:04 p.m. PST

the Chinese and Russians will make an issue of it.

Any democratic country would.

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28mm Fanatik06 Jul 2018 5:42 p.m. PST

Of course with some spin it could be couched as a rescue mission as in Grenada. There must be some American students or expats who need "saving." And if some banana republic dictator gets toppled in the process, so much the better.

No, I'm not advocating invading Venezuela. Just saying where there's a will, there's a way.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 6:39 p.m. PST

LOL. Grenada aside, there will always be real students or real tourists who need saving.

People don't always pay attention to official or unofficial warnings about travel to hot spots. Some are actually that clueless, while a few simply think it's funny to challenge their government that way. Funny how? I have no idea.

Dan
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USAFpilot06 Jul 2018 7:53 p.m. PST

The US is not going to invade Venezuela. There is no reason to. The current administration has made it clear they are not interested in global interventions and nation building. There is nothing wrong with a President asking his staff questions. Venezuela's form of government is for their people to decide, not anyone else. The UN is irrelevant.

Personal logo ochoin Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 8:06 p.m. PST

CC mentioned oil (above)as a motive for invasion.

I'm assuming as a jape but the world, in general, suspects this may have been a motive in armed intervention in the past.

USAFpilot06 Jul 2018 8:32 p.m. PST

CC mentioned oil (above)as a motive for invasion.

The US is becoming energy independent; so hopefully no more wars for oil.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2018 12:10 p.m. PST

The "people" of Venezuela are escaping from a dictatorial and murderous regiment … nobody saw the bloody protests on TV? … people die of hunger and lack of medical supplies … except the government guys… almost 20% of the population has fled or is fleeing from there … there are towns in Brazil, Colombia and Guyana that have tripled their population by Venezuelan immigration … more than 400 PER DAY enter Argentina … and take note that we are the most distant country of its borders … Maduro … the former bus driver … is the worst thing that could happen to the poor Venezuelans … it is Cuba … but much worse …

That said … it does not suit at all for USA to invade or even participate in an invasion … each country should be left to its own devices and what its inhabitants can do …


Amicalement
Armand

SouthernPhantom07 Jul 2018 8:02 p.m. PST

I don't support it, but I can understand the potential motivations behind such an action.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP07 Jul 2018 8:55 p.m. PST

Geesh! I never said invade for oil. There's no need for that. I never said invade Venezuela period, not for their oil nor for any other reason.

What I said was wait until dust settles, then trade with them our rebuilding assistance for oil, the same oil that was promised to us long ago, before Chavez made all trade impossible. They need to trade as they go. They cannot be trusted with huge loans and promises yet, for a long time actually.

But, whatever oil we do need from foreign sources better come from as many different sellers as possible, and not just from the same 2-3 geographical areas.

Dan

Lion in the Stars07 Jul 2018 10:33 p.m. PST

It's terrible that a lot of people are probably going to die as we watch another set of Marxist social promises come home to roost.

Hopefully this time the Venezuelan people will choose someone else. Once they do, the US can help.

La Fleche08 Jul 2018 2:22 a.m. PST

…the invading force could be seen as liberating force.

But should USA democratically decide to liberate the bejeezus out of Venezuela, or ought they merely liberate it to smithereens?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2018 10:23 p.m. PST

LOL. Would there even be anything left for anyone (China, Cuba, etc) to liberate/invade, after Maduro is done socializing the crap out of it?

At least the people still continue to get their daily dose of the Chavez-Maduro variety show. That should help them forget why they and their children haven't got anything to eat.

Dan
PS. Was that the equivalent of the State of the Union address, when he pulled out and took a bite of an empanada he had hidden in his desk?

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Tgunner10 Jul 2018 4:04 p.m. PST

But should USA democratically decide to liberate the bejeezus out of Venezuela, or ought they merely liberate it to smithereens?

There is always the "give them the weapons they need' to liberate the bejeezus out of themselves. Maybe some Special Forces A Teams to show them how to do it and then let them have fun.

Sad to hear this about Venezuela. I met some kids from there during college. Nice folks. It's a shame that their country is falling apart like this.

Lion in the Stars10 Jul 2018 5:35 p.m. PST

Less political issues at home or abroad if we send a few Green Beanies in and let the locals liberate themselves.


The downside to oil is that it's a commodity: Oil from the Persian Gulf is almost identical to oil from Alaska is almost identical to oil from Pennsylvania is almost identical to oil from Texas. So if any one of those locations has an issue, the entire planet pays more for oil.

Doesn't matter that the US is not getting any oil from the Saudis, we still pay the Saudi's price.

Begemot10 Jul 2018 11:47 p.m. PST

Less political issues at home or abroad if we send a few Green Beanies in and let the locals liberate themselves.

Not an invasion?

Less political issues at home or abroad if we send a few Spetznaz into Donbass and let the locals liberate themselves.

An invasion?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2018 6:23 a.m. PST

Let the neighbors invade if they think it's necessary. But it probably isn't.
We don't need any foreign adventures.
This thread has shown and promoted a long string of "successful" Yanqui invasions in this hemisphere. The most important thing they accomplished besides temporary victory conditions was to deepen hatred of America.

Begging pardon for "politics", a certain American President, you might recognize his name, is challenging Europe to put up their fair share in NATO. Same President should say Venezuela is none of our business, and that it's a regional problem.
Suppose we do invade. We've been in Afghanistan how many years?
Oh yeah. Home before the leaves fall. Well done.

Lion in the Stars11 Jul 2018 2:49 p.m. PST

Difference being that the Green Beanies aren't supposed to be fighting. Just showing the locals how to do it right, so the fight only has to happen once.

The Spetsnaz seem to have been sent to fight, not to teach.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2018 3:50 p.m. PST

Spetsnaz teach…. fighting…!

Amicalement
Armand

Begemot11 Jul 2018 6:35 p.m. PST

Spetsnaz say: какой придурок. Этот парень не получил бы смысла, даже если бы он ткнул его в задницу.

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