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Prof Pate05 Jul 2018 4:53 p.m. PST

So an old chestnut but what I am looking for is an Russian OB that shows Regiment strengths and for Cavalry the number of Sdqns (example Mikaberidze (on line) shows Cuirassier Regts with four, whereas they should have five in field and one Depot. I think.

Also which units had elements removed to act as HQ guard etc.

I am sure I have seen such a document which also included a sucessive list of Regimental commanders.

Lastly other than 1 & 3 Jgr and 6 & 7 Foothas anyone a list of Opolchenie units involved in fighting as opposed to plundering.

Thanks in advance

John

Private Matter05 Jul 2018 7:35 p.m. PST

I assume that you are looking for something more detailed than this:
link

I'll be curious to see what others suggest since this is a request I'm interested as well.

Matsukaze05 Jul 2018 9:38 p.m. PST

How about this one?
link

seneffe06 Jul 2018 1:50 a.m. PST

Mikaberidze is one of the best I'd say.

At the time of Borodino, the Cuirassier and Dragoon regiments still only had 4 field squadrons each, Hussars and Uhlans eight. The extra field squadrons were formed over the next several months. As I understand it, not all regiments formed extra squadrons, but a few formed more than one. Whether or not those extra squadrons actually added up to many extra cavalrymen (once cadres had been taken out of the originals) is another question.

Allan F Mountford06 Jul 2018 2:12 a.m. PST

@Matsukaze
The link is showing up as 'sleeping'.
I have Jonathan's OOB dated February 21, 2011, but thought he had updated it. Is the OOB in your link more recent?

Prof Pate06 Jul 2018 3:34 a.m. PST

Thanks TMPers

Private Matter, yeah have that one already via his book. Though the online version is expanded, thanks.
Matsukaze that's certainly closer to what I am looking for. Load of good addition info. Great

Maybe what I want is only via primary research. Unit strengths/deployment at start of battle, particularly after Shevardino and detachments eg HQ guards

Anyway thanks again.

Personal logo 22ndFoot Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 9:56 a.m. PST

Do you have George Nafziger's Napoleon's Invasion of Russia (ISBN-10: 0891416617)?

Prof Pate06 Jul 2018 10:14 a.m. PST

Jefferyw3 I'll have a quick search for FB page. Sometimes minutiae is good.

No, 22nd foot that one I've never read. I do have his book on Russian Napoleonic Army.

Cheers John

14Bore06 Jul 2018 12:44 p.m. PST

Only a few battalions to go in my quest for the 1st Western Army, have been using this
link
But of course actual numbers are not exact. If anything am over overall numbers but need to figure this out when done.

14Bore06 Jul 2018 1:08 p.m. PST

Matsukaze's link only seems as far as my concern goes lists the LG Jager at 51 officers and 1834 men and see no other totals. As far as I have seen most battalions were 350 maybe to 500

Prof Pate06 Jul 2018 1:44 p.m. PST

Cheers 14Bore.

Personal logo 22ndFoot Supporting Member of TMP06 Jul 2018 2:21 p.m. PST

John,

I'll see if Nafziger lists those units at Borodino and post something over the weekend. Football permitting.

Jon

Prof Pate07 Jul 2018 2:07 a.m. PST

22nd Foot before 8:00am PST then ;-)

Personal logo 22ndFoot Supporting Member of TMP08 Jul 2018 8:58 a.m. PST

John,

Nafziger lists only the number of battalions detailed numbers for the Russians. He does list the numbers of cavalry squadrons.

Jon

14Bore08 Jul 2018 2:42 p.m. PST

Been comparing the two lists, not much different guess no one ever will be able to give regiment head counts

Prof Pate15 Jul 2018 12:10 p.m. PST

Actually I found a couple of units with strengths on that list 27th div, 2nd Comb Gren

Really useful list thanks for tip.

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