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Rusty Balls Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 9:17 a.m. PST

I know that the Prussian and Austrian's brigaded their Grenadier companies in to battalions. I just picked up some SYW British but not sure how to base them. I use 6 stand battalions. Should I make a stand of grenadiers with each BN or make a BN of all grenadiers likes the others?

Rusty Balls Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 9:17 a.m. PST

I know that the Prussian and Austrian's brigaded their Grenadier companies in to battalions. I just picked up some SYW British but not sure how to base them. I use 6 stand battalions. Should I make a stand of grenadiers with each BN or make a BN of all grenadiers likes the others?

Garde de Paris30 Jun 2018 9:52 a.m. PST

The Prussians went into the 7YW with grenadier battalions already former of one of two musketeer, fusilier regiments, and some with a company or more of a garrison battalion. These grenadiers did not usually fight near, or even in the same battles, as their "parent" units.

The Austrians had 2 grenadier companies with their 2-battalion line units, usually all together. For battle, the grouped all these grenadiers into 4 to 6 company ad hoc battalions for that battle only. Grenadiers and parent almost always served in the same battle.

I frankly do not know if the British composite grenadier battalions follow either of the above. I suspect more like the Austrians. And sometimes grenadiers in the field as the parent using might be in garrison.

Personally, I painted my Prussians with a grenadier unit to go with the parent battalion, and put my grenadiers together in non-factual grenadier battalions. Following the Austrian pattern, but I might have a brigade of 4 fusilier battalions with their own "fusilier-grenadier" battalion. Sounds Napoleonic!

GdeP

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 10:20 a.m. PST

In the AWI, the British always stripped both the Grenadiers and Light Infantry companies from the regiments in theatre and converged them.
They almost never operated together with parent regiments.
What this means is that if you paint up a Regiment with lights and Grenadiers, you are also doing the converged battalions in pieces.
What this also means is that you can have each stand in the converged battalion with different facings.

The converged battalions were HUGE, some having companies from 10 different regiments.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 10:28 a.m. PST

At Minden the grenadier companies of British battalions were combined.
They were in Wangenheim Corps.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 10:49 a.m. PST

For the Brits, exactly right – ad hoc battalions formed in theatre

One good example is the Louisberg Grenadiers – formed from the Grenadier companies of the 22nd, 40th and 45th Regiments of Foot at the Siege of Louisberg and fought through all the way to the Plains of Abraham

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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 10:53 a.m. PST

Let's not forget also that in the big battles in the North, Cornwallis had ALL of them in his command.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 2:37 p.m. PST

The grenadiers of the British battalions in His Majesty's Army in Germany were brigaded into two battalions, one from the first contingent and one from the second. Savory's book of the same title has all the details.

1st contingent (1758-1759) -- Maxwell's -- 12th, 20th, 23rd, 25th, 37th, and 51st Foot grernadier companies.

2nd contingent (1760) -- Daulhautt's -- 5th, 8th, 11th, 24th, 33rd, and 50th Foot grenadiers

Jim

Rusty Balls Supporting Member of TMP30 Jun 2018 6:27 p.m. PST

Thank you for the information and suggestions!

AICUSV01 Jul 2018 9:00 a.m. PST

I've always modeled by British grenadier companies with their parent battalion, but gamed them combined into a grenadier battalion. I base the grenadier figures on their own bases so they can be swapped about.

Popknot Inactive Member02 Jul 2018 12:53 p.m. PST

If I am gaming AWI,should I leave out the lights and grenadiers? I got a great deal on the Liberty or Death set from Warlord Games. It was like $70 USD less than retail, but I am totally new to the period and overwhelmed by the uniform options.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2018 5:03 a.m. PST

What exactly can you make out of that box?

Popknot Inactive Member03 Jul 2018 9:14 a.m. PST

The add shows 4 units of Continentals, 20 minutemen, 3 mounted commanders, blockhouse, fences, 3 units of Redcoats,1 unit of Hessians, 8 native Americans, and 3 artillery pieces.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP03 Jul 2018 12:42 p.m. PST

According to warlord's page you get 90 British.
That's can be 3 units of 30 or 3 units of 24 and one 18 or 5 of 18.
Depends on the size of the unit your want.
Of course you'll need more command with more units.

Looks like each British spurs can make as many grenadiers as hatmen.(if you ignore they probably never used the grenadier bearskins.)

So if you want there is nothing stopping you from making a grenadier battalion next to your regular regiments.

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