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KoppiBlogger Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2018 11:36 p.m. PST

I have a question. I saw this model of a CWT 30:


A more greenish camouflage pattern.
I like the vehicle very much and now I'm thinking about to use it in my Bolt Action/ Battlegroup/ Disposable Heroes British scout units also for our games that are situated in Normandy.
But; was the vehicle used in Normandy or in the later war???
I have no specialised literature about the CWT 30.
Maybe you can help me.

hocklermp521 Jun 2018 11:57 p.m. PST

The picture is not a Chevrolet CW30 of WWII vintage but of a modern vehicle. The MGs give it away as they are MAGs. I think it is a Land Rover "Defender".

Martin Rapier22 Jun 2018 3:06 a.m. PST

Yes, it is one of the numerous modern armed Land Rover variants (I don't think is a Defender but one of the the others).

The GPMGs aren't WW2 weapons.

zoneofcontrol22 Jun 2018 6:46 a.m. PST

I always thought of WWII's combat version as a North Africa (LDRG) vehicle. I have not seen it or even thought about it being used as such in Europe. It was a truck however, so it could well have been used for hauling and/or towing.

After googling:
from Coldemons
link

Legion 422 Jun 2018 6:52 a.m. PST

Yes, that is not a WWII vehicle as noted it's modern. Here's the WWII LRDG Truck and camo patterns … lrdg.hegewisch.net/camo.html

zoneofcontrol22 Jun 2018 7:01 a.m. PST

I always thought of WWII's combat version as a North Africa (LDRG) vehicle. I have not seen it or even thought about it being used as such in Europe. It was a truck however, so it could well have been used for hauling and/or towing.

King Monkey22 Jun 2018 7:43 a.m. PST

It's a cold war SAS land rover isn't it?

link

KoppiBlogger Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2018 11:45 a.m. PST

Uuuups. What a shame.
You are right.
I only saw the description Italeri Desert Rats SAS Command Car and as a German I'm thinking in WW II terms, when the Desert Rats are mentioned.
falconbbs.com/model62c.htm
My fault.
Sorry.
But … I was thinking of that box:
Matchbox later Revell LRDG CWT 30:

picture

I only saw SAS Jeeps in 1944, not the Chevrolet?? Was it outdate at that moment?

zoneofcontrol22 Jun 2018 11:51 a.m. PST

"I only saw SAS Jeeps in 1944, not the Chevrolet?? Was it outdate at that moment?"

Possibly. I think the truck pre-dated WWII but was continued as a Lend-Lease vehicle and got sent around the world.

Mark 122 Jun 2018 12:55 p.m. PST

Koppi:

I'm not sure if I'm reading your posts correctly, but …

I only saw SAS Jeeps in 1944, not the Chevrolet?? Was it outdate at that moment?

I think part of your question arises from confusing the LRDG with the SAS.

These were two separate forces. They were formed at different times, under different leadership, for different roles, using different equipment, with different skills and training.

LRDG used trucks, and was involved in a LOT of long-range desert work. Their primary role was long range recon, but they also did transport and liaison work, and as with any recon force sometimes engaged in combat. Deserts are an alien environment to most armies, and these guys were desert-specialists.

SAS used jeeps for a few high-profile airfield raids. They also trained for any of a variety of methods for reaching and returning from their targets, including boat landings and parachuting. Their primary role was attacking enemy airfields and enemy air force support infrastructure. They arose during the western desert campaigns, but were not desert-specific, but rather airfied-attack specific. Over the years, their role has expanded to almost any special forces task.

The two services cooperated on several projects. The LRDG provided long-distance navigation and supply services so the SAS could transit long distances across the North African desert to make surprise attacks, and then withdraw again across the desert. SAS jeeps were not capable of making 1,500km journeys across trackless deserts without the support LRDG navigation and supplies.

But even though they did joint projects, they were still two separate groups. The LRDG provided support for other allied groups as well. For example LRDG patrols engaged in joint actions with LeClerc's Free French forces against the Italians at Kufra, as they marched northward from sub-saharan Africa.

The LRDG stayed in North Africa when active combat moved onwards. There was no role for the LRDG in Europe. But there was still a role for the SAS.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

KoppiBlogger Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2018 2:14 p.m. PST

Thanks Mark. I understand.
So I think I have to read more about the two units.
Also I think the Chevrolet was really outdated in 1944 and wasn't used in scout units of the British Forces during 1944.
If you find a contrary picture, let me know it.

Thank you all.

Starfury Rider22 Jun 2018 5:23 p.m. PST

The LRDG continued to operate after the end of the campaign in North Africa. They fought in the Med and the Balkans. Wiki gives a potted history (I remembered them being in Yugoslavia but not Italy and Albania). Their 1943-44 establishments show them having moved to Jeeps for their Patrol vehicles.

link

The Recce Corps used lightly armoured vehicles from its formation, carriers and light recce cars then adding armd cars from late 1942. Armd Car Regts used armd and scout cars.

From memory a fair few of the SAS Jeeps had to be air dropped; I won't pretend to know if that was plausible with something akin to a 30-cwt using 1944 capabilities but I'd definitely want the insurance sorted before trying it.

Gary

shaun from s and s models Supporting Member of TMP23 Jun 2018 5:11 a.m. PST

the vehicle pictured is an sas 109in land rover series 2 patrol vehicle
often called pink panther when painted dersert pink or green panther in green & black, 1960's onwards.
the ww equivilent would be the jeep, not a 30cwt truck, which is much bigger.

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