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GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP31 May 2018 5:42 a.m. PST

Hi Folks

If you have any info on the flags used by any of the combatants during the Risorgimento 1859-66 then please read the below and see if you can help. Sorry it is a bit long-winded but I still have a lot of info to find before I can design a set of accurate flags.

Thanks
Tony of TTT

Flags for the Risorgimento

I'm trying to build a range of flags to go with a new figure range for the Risorgimento. So far I have not been able to find a comprehensive source of information on the military flags used in the various campaigns of 1859-61 & 1866. I have found some information but, as I have so far been using only the Internet and a few Ospreys, it is in bits and pieces and sources seem to disagree at times.
It is not a period I am familiar with so a good, reasonably complete source, is what I'm looking for – preferably on the ‘net but a book that is readily available would do too.
I need to know the flag designs and any common variants and how they were used in a battle (rather than on parade). By this I mean how the different designs (if there were more than one) were distributed to the battalions of a regiment. This may also involve battle honours (at least for the French) and any regimental devices or words used by specific regiments/units. Sizes would be useful too.
Principally I want the details of Infantry flags but cavalry flags would be useful too – particularly for those units that carried them into battle (not all did).
I have summarised below what I have already found and assumptions that I am currently making along with the gaps in my knowledge so far.

ANY information would be welcome, even on a single point discussed below or a reliable source.

France
The infantry flag shown on Warflag is the design that I am assuming is still current for 1859. It is very similar to the design I have seen for 1871.
What I have read is that it has the battle honours on the reverse by 1871 but I have found no source for those honours. Did flags in 1859 have honours on the reverse and, if not, what design was on the reverse ?

Austria
The flag given on Warflag is the best image I have so far for the leibfahne but I also found some useful notes on Austrian flags in the Austro-Prussian war and I'm assuming that the pattern 1859 was in use throughout the Risorgimento. If anyone knows better then please tell me.
There are references to Hungarian regiments having the Hungarian coat of arms in the centre of the eagle on either or both flags from 1806 onward but few sources seem to be certain of this and few examples of different Hungarian regiment flags appear in any illustrations I have found. Does anyone know if the 1859 pattern had different arms for German and Hungarian regiments ?
I am assuming Jaeger units did not carry colours in the field but I don't know whether Grenz units did in this period; can anyone help ?

Piedmont/Sardinia
So far I have an image supposedly depicting Sardinian uniform and flags from the Crimean war but also I have seen text saying that the crown wasn't added to the tricolour flag until 1861. Other sources (the few I can find) don't mention the red flag with a white cross (Savoy flag) at all.
What I need to know here is;
When was the crown added to the flag – before 1859 or after (if after, when) ?
Did the red flag continue in use through 1859-66 ?
How were the two flags distributed in a regiment ?
Did either flag have any other devices/wording specific to a unit or did all units get the same flags ?

Kingdom of Naples/the Two Sicilies
I can find state flags for this period but nothing so far on their military units' flags. Can anyone provide me with some of the details or point to a reliable source for the designs and usage please.

Other Italian States
Any details/sources on the military flags of other states involved in any of the battles in Italy during the 1859-1866 period would be welcome as, so far, I have little or nothing on them.

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