"Indians fighting on the American side?" Topic

Id like to add a few Indians to command stands etc for flavour and was wondering what theatres mainly did the American allied Indians fight? In particular where did the stockbridge fight?

The Stockbridge Indians were actually Mohicans who were converted to Christianity. They fought in New York and Vermont, as well as Western Massachusetts. Great unit to have.

There are a few nice Stockbridge models on the market now, and more coming next year. Sash & Sabers FIW range due out at the start of the year includes a very nice assortment of poses for them.
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Bennington. They showed up as the Green Mountain Boys arrived. Perry makes a good set, but only one. I augment them with various other makers, mainly Galloping Major and some Redoubt.
Most estimates put their numbers at around 50 at the actual battle.

I'm working an a small scene, now. I didn't see any poses on the S&S site that looked like Stockbridge Indians to me.

Nevinsrip, there aren't photos yet of the Stockbridge that I recall. For the FIW line, he's been posting photos of greens on in Kickstarter updates and on Facebook. To date, the Iroquois are the only Indian greens done and shown.

There will be 4 packs of Stockbridge, 4 poses each: Firing, Loading, Advancing, and Leaders.

There's already quite a variety of Iroquois on the market, more poses from S&S will be nice of course, but I'm particularly looking forward to the Stockbridge and Abenakis from them.

The Oneida and Tuscarora, of the Iroquois nations assisted Herkimer at Oriskany in 1777, and subsequently aided Gates against Burgoyne. The other Iroquois nations had been persuaded by Joseph Brant to ally with the forces of the Crown. This marked the start of a disastrous split in the unity of the Confederacy.

The Oneida, who traditionally had favoured the French, made a personal pact with Lafayette and this lead to a party of Oneida joining Lafayette with Washington's army at Valley Forge, screening the British in Philadelphia.

They took part in Lafayette's inconclusive manoeuvering around Barren Hill in May 1778 and then, shortly after, headed back home to defend their homecountry against the threat of attack from their fellow Iroquois and American forces in New York, which eventually led to their villages being destroyed and their lands laid waste.

One of the Time Portal Passages contained a Special issue devoted to Native American in the American Revolution. It covered all of the significant battles that they fought in alongs with other sections. We also had special issues on the Loyalist, The Germans Aux for the British and articles on the Patriot uniforms.
These are still available upon request. The german issue was even expanded into an Osprey style book.

Rudy – I keep hearing about all these "Osprey style" books from over the years here on TMP…do you have a website that one can order from and/or see a complete list? Would love to grab some of your publications. Thanks!

Thank you everyone for your help.
@RudyNelson how can i get a hold of these issues?

I have copies left or I can send files.

Brendan Morrissey's "Saratoga" Osprey book states on page 64:

"As scouting, taking prisoners and intercepting messages became vital, the arrival of 150 Oneida, Tuscarora and Onondaga, and the simultaneous departure of the few remaining Ottawa, gave Gates an unbeatable advantage…

So, I guess you can use those at Freeman's Farm.

By the way, I wasn't looking for this, but was looking through the book for terrain photos, when I came across it. I'm in the process of basing Jessup's Loyalist unit.

Interesting topic. What about in the Southern theater? Weren't there some Choctaw allied with the Spanish in Pensacola? At least I seem to remember there being some as allies in the GMT board game of the same name.

@RudyNelson I'd love a copy of that Time Portal Passages. How can I contact you? Thanks!

In the South the Catawbas fought along side the Americans. The British in turn burned Catawba villages and drove them from their land.

In broad terms the Cherokee and Creek fought as British allies against the Americans, while the Creek and Choctaw fought as British allies against Spain and the Chickasaw remained neutral. The nations in the south were not united though, so groups of these tribes might have remained neutral or sided with Spain.

There is a drawing of a Stockbridge Indian in Ewalds's Journal. Shows one in a straw hat (IIRC), long trousers, bow and arrow on back, but carrying a musket. Also, he had a mustache (long and stringy – IIRC). Kind of looks odd, but he drew it after fighting them and looking at their dead. I was told this weekend by a close friend of Don T's that some of the Indians fighting with the continentals received new cartridge boxes before some continental troops. This from Don's files.

Some Choctaws fought on the American side during the war. We again chose to side with the Americans during the War of 1812 yet were forced to go to Oklahoma. Thanks Andy, you scum.

Mohegans have fought with the American forces in every war starting with the French Indian War. In the ranks of any Connecticut Regiment is appropriate for them.

Choctaw who had been long term allies of the French in the 1700s, had one faction that did ally with the Patriots. Two of there long hereditary enemies, the Chickasaw and the Muskogee Creek were aiding the British. The Choctaw did honor their treaty with the Chickasaw but to my knowledge they did not have one with the Muskogee.
As I point out in my book on the Special issue on the Franco-Chickasaw War, the Choctaw were significant force to balance the pro-British Chickasaw.
In my opinion, it was a different situation by the War of 1812. And I too feel they were screwed by the Jackson administration.