Cacique Caribe | 05 May 2018 12:39 p.m. PST |
What do you think of this type of re-enactment? Am I missing something here? Can you imagine this sort of scene performed at the site of a key battle of the American Revolution, dispatching a British soldier, just for people to take pictures? Or performed for tourists at some battle site where American Indians fought US troops? Or at the Alamo site? Or at ANY other battle site for that matter? Or to have performers reenact something like it for visitors at Auschwitz? link Dan |
Winston Smith | 05 May 2018 12:49 p.m. PST |
Why do you care? I've never read any indication that the present Chinese government feels that anything in their past is something to be ashamed of. So. Who is there who will NOT allow it? |
princeman | 05 May 2018 12:49 p.m. PST |
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princeman | 05 May 2018 12:50 p.m. PST |
And I understand why he cares. |
Frederick | 05 May 2018 1:16 p.m. PST |
Having been to China many times Winston has it exactly right They don't think they did anything wrong – and they are pretty proud of it |
Cacique Caribe | 05 May 2018 1:26 p.m. PST |
I'm NOT talking about what they did on that spot in the past. I'm talking about having paid performers there NOW, to reenact an execution for international tourists to photograph. Dan |
Texas Jack | 05 May 2018 2:16 p.m. PST |
In our theme villages they just make beer. And maybe a loaf of bread. |
Cacique Caribe | 05 May 2018 2:39 p.m. PST |
We visited Saratoga in upstate NY when I was a kid, back during Bicentennial (in 1976), and they showed us how to make candles. They also talked about how the Colonials and the Brits had "a difference of opinion" on how to govern. I didn't see any re-enactment of Redcoats or Loyalist civilians* being humiliated and then shot. Dan * Colonials shooting "their own" is much closer to what the performance photo depicts. |
Andrew Walters | 05 May 2018 2:57 p.m. PST |
This is awful, but only slightly surprising. |
robert piepenbrink | 05 May 2018 3:07 p.m. PST |
Dan, you might better ask why people would go there on vacations. Not a lot of tourists--Russian or visiting--want to tour the gulags. And as you say, that's not how they entertain visitors at Auschwitz. |
nnascati | 05 May 2018 3:15 p.m. PST |
Dan, I think you need a hobby. |
zoneofcontrol | 05 May 2018 4:39 p.m. PST |
100 years of communism and 100 million deaths. What's not to celebrate? |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 05 May 2018 5:41 p.m. PST |
"If I kill one person, I'm a murderer. If I kill a million people, I'm a statesman." Oh, wait, that was Stalin, not Mao, wasn't it? Whatever. |
Daithi the Black | 05 May 2018 6:24 p.m. PST |
Foreign country, foreign morals. I won't pretend to condone it or understand, but I can certainly accept that their country does things differently than mine. As an aside, about 15 miles from here is a "Western Town" tourist attraction that features a sherrif's posse rounding up a horse thief and hanging him. But that's not at all the sane thing. |
Wargamer Blue | 05 May 2018 6:53 p.m. PST |
China has not been inundated with SJWs yet. |
DeHewes | 05 May 2018 7:26 p.m. PST |
Perhaps they were overly inundated with them – hence the events depicted in the reenactment |
Sloppypainter | 05 May 2018 7:39 p.m. PST |
I'm just surprised they don't use a political prisoner as the target and actually pull the trigger. |
darthfozzywig | 05 May 2018 8:54 p.m. PST |
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Cerdic | 06 May 2018 4:54 a.m. PST |
Different country, different culture. I'm sure there are people in other countries who are uncomfortable with our practice of burning the effigy of a Catholic revolutionary every November 5th. We grew up with it, so to us it is normal…. |
sillypoint | 06 May 2018 5:27 a.m. PST |
I think Grandma was one of those landlords. |
Winston Smith | 06 May 2018 6:07 a.m. PST |
Dan. You are basically saying that you are indignant that China is not indignant about something you think they should be. China is not indignant. So, who is there to "not allow" the display? |
altfritz | 06 May 2018 6:44 a.m. PST |
Intimidating the population: Look, we did it before. We can do it again! |
Jeigheff | 06 May 2018 7:00 a.m. PST |
I can't say I like seeing a gun pointed at the head of someone whose "crimes" almost certainly don't warrant the death penalty, even if it's just an impersonator pointing her weapon at a statue. I'll give the Chinese people the benefit of the doubt: I'll bet a lot of them don't think this photo is funny. |
Legion 4 | 06 May 2018 8:07 a.m. PST |
Regardless it is an very evocative if not very sad photo of events that as far as ew know occurred. Right, wrong or otherwise … it is history … |
Rdfraf | 06 May 2018 9:39 a.m. PST |
The Chinese are not overly concerned about political correctness or adhering to Western values unless it suits them. Other cultures find some of what we readiily accept in the West as appalling |
14Bore | 06 May 2018 10:35 a.m. PST |
My guess is the Communists are not ashamed of the fact they murdered hundreds of millions which should tell you a lot. |
jdginaz | 06 May 2018 12:36 p.m. PST |
It's less about "Chinese Culture" than it is about Leftist propaganda and ideology, the end justifies the means. See we did this so you could have your "freedom" now and we can do it again. |
Legion 4 | 06 May 2018 3:44 p.m. PST |
Those are all good points … The PRC is not Western Europe, the USA, etc., etc. And @20% of the world is Chinese … so they have that going for them … |
Cacique Caribe | 06 May 2018 4:42 p.m. PST |
Jdginaz I think you've hit the nail on the head, specially if this performance were to be open to outsiders and to their own children's school field trip tours. Dan |
Walking Sailor | 06 May 2018 6:11 p.m. PST |
Daithi the Black
sherrif's posse rounding up a horse thief and hanging him. But that's not at all the same thing. You are projecting your Western (Capitalist, Imperialist, Bourgeoisie) values on a different system. To them it is the same thing, robbing the workers (The Proletariat). You said it yourself: Foreign country, foreign morals. Jeigheff someone whose "crimes" almost certainly don't warrant the death penalty Again: You are projecting your Western (Capitalist, Imperialist, Bourgeoisie) values on a different system. It does. As Cerdic observes: Different country, different culture. If A, then B is logical. You must understand that their A is different than our A, and therefore yields a different B. |
Walking Sailor | 06 May 2018 6:30 p.m. PST |
Can you imagine this sort of scene performed at the site of a key battle of the American Revolution, dispatching a British soldier, just for people to take pictures? I don't have to imagine it. I have seen an Australian actor do just that. Oh wait, "It's only a movie." Or performed for tourists at some battle site where American Indians fought US troops? I grew up watching that. Oh wait. "It's only a movie." Or at the Alamo site? Yea that too. Oh wait. "It's only a movie." Or at ANY other battle site for that matter? You name a battle, I can probably name a movie. Is it the venue that disturbs you? Or is it that you are projecting your values and not accepting someone else's. Even if they are disturbing and probably would benefit from some kind of enlightenment. |
Jeigheff | 06 May 2018 6:40 p.m. PST |
Walking Sailor, I believe in the existence of good and evil, as do many people on earth, maybe even the majority. I'm not a moral relativist. So I don't think I'm necessarily "projecting" my point of view on others, even considering cultural differences which I acknowledge. Again, I imagine that many living Chinese have bad memories of the Cultural Revolution, even if they're not free to say so publicly. |
Patrick R | 07 May 2018 3:28 a.m. PST |
The Chinese have tried to retcon the Cultural Revolution into a badly needed operation to weed out the enemies of the party that was then abused by others to try to seize power. It allows them to both condemn all the injustice and still praise it for being a genius plan so Mao's image remains squeaky clean. While most Chinese nominally hold Mao as an important historical figure he's no longer relevant to many young people. The other day they showed a professor giving a course on Marxism and Mao in front of maybe half a dozen students, while the free market lecture had nearly half the population of Shanghai attending. Those theme parks are kept for that tiny minority of true red communists who still linger on, but are now mostly irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. |
Cacique Caribe | 07 May 2018 3:36 a.m. PST |
Patrick Maybe that's what the current regime is now trying to reverse. link link Also: link Dan |
Legion 4 | 07 May 2018 7:55 a.m. PST |
You are projecting your Western (Capitalist, Imperialist, Bourgeoisie) values on a different system. Walking Sailor … LOL ! Though there are many in the world that wouldn't think your comments are hyperbole ! |
Cacique Caribe | 07 May 2018 8:43 a.m. PST |
LOL. Yes. The thing is that those justifications only work when the "different system" is completely ignorant (meaning unaware) of how to use that type of imagery when it comes time to manipulate our feelings, when those images happen work in their favor. Dan |
Cyrus the Great | 09 May 2018 12:12 p.m. PST |
I'm surprised that visitors to the park can't dress up as a Chinese revolutionary and get their picture taken. |