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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian16 Apr 2018 10:03 p.m. PST

Have you read Trumbo's novel, Johnny Got His Gun?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 10:22 p.m. PST

No

Personal logo Wolfshanza Supporting Member of TMP16 Apr 2018 11:20 p.m. PST

Long time ago. Kind of depressing ? :/

Glengarry516 Apr 2018 11:20 p.m. PST

I've seen the movie and the Metallica video "One".

advocate17 Apr 2018 2:23 a.m. PST

No

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 3:13 a.m. PST

No

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 4:16 a.m. PST

No.

redbanner414517 Apr 2018 5:05 a.m. PST

long ago

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 5:24 a.m. PST

Nope

Enough depressing things to read at work

genew49 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 5:26 a.m. PST

Yes, many years ago.

Jim Selzer Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 5:35 a.m. PST

+1 Glenngary5


since we are on an American Lit thing how about Slaughter house 5 and One flew over the Cuckoo' Nest?

Old Wolfman17 Apr 2018 6:54 a.m. PST

Read the one by Vonnegut.

Vigilant17 Apr 2018 6:57 a.m. PST

Never heard of it. Have read Slaughterhouse 5 many, many years ago.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 7:42 a.m. PST

Novel – Yes, meh…
Movie – Yes, OK.
Metallica Video – Yes, rawkzorz!
Trumbo bio pic – No.

The Beast Rampant17 Apr 2018 7:43 a.m. PST

I heard that song playing in Winn Dixie one time.

Haven't and woudn't read it, haven't watched and wouldn't watch it. Seems like a big forerunner for misery-porn.

Legion 417 Apr 2018 7:55 a.m. PST

No … but did see the movie. Along time ago … it was very depressing and sad. The movie came out during the Vietnam War in '71. link
And like much from Hollywood, etc. regardless of the war portrayed in the movie or TV show. That was produced during Vietnam. It was very dark, could be some what upsetting, etc. And very anti-War. The war in SE Asia colored almost all the conflicts in the media sometimes very accurately the horrors, etc. of war. Or not …

E.g. look at Little Big Man, link and how Custer was portrayed in '71 during the Vietnam War vs. how he was portrayed in They Died With Their Boots On, in '41 during WWII . link Very much polar opposites. Like much of Hollywood, with minimal accuracy overall at best.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 8:01 a.m. PST

No and no reason to read it now.

mjkerner Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 8:24 a.m. PST

Yes, 49 years ago to be exact.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 8:45 a.m. PST

Long time ago, and still not long enough ago. Trumbo beating the drum for the leftist cause du jour.

28mm Fanatik17 Apr 2018 9:26 a.m. PST

A long long time ago, and now I can't get the Aerosmith song "Janie's got a gun" outta my head. Kill me please.

saltflats192917 Apr 2018 9:33 a.m. PST

@28mm fanatik:
Only if you ask by banging your head in morse code

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 9:59 a.m. PST

NO.

Cyrus the Great17 Apr 2018 9:59 a.m. PST

+2 Glengarry5

Personal logo Jeff Ewing Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 10:51 a.m. PST

Yes.

robert peipenbrink, do you really think "War is bad because young men are horribly maimed" is a "leftist cause du jour"?

Oberlindes Sol LIC17 Apr 2018 11:03 a.m. PST

Yes, when I was about 12, I think.

Daithi the Black17 Apr 2018 11:28 a.m. PST

Yes

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

It's on my list – but it is meant to be a bit depressing.

Doctor X17 Apr 2018 11:47 a.m. PST

Read it

14Bore17 Apr 2018 1:15 p.m. PST

I saw this movie around 1981, kind of haunted me and long remembered it but had no idea of its title. Searched often for years until finally found out its title. Would like to read it but not for the faint at heart and quite the anti-war novel.

14Bore17 Apr 2018 1:24 p.m. PST

It would seem the entire move is on YouTube
https://youtu.be/lA0IlDhITkQ

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 1:32 p.m. PST

Yes. Its considered a classic anti-war novel. Written by Dalton Trumbo.

zoneofcontrol17 Apr 2018 2:05 p.m. PST

The book went thru my school like wildfire in the early 70s. An older brother had a copy and I started to read it but never finished it.

Legion 417 Apr 2018 3:45 p.m. PST

Trumbo beating the drum for the leftist cause du jour.
I felt/feel somewhat the same … And yes it is very anti-war.
"War is bad because young men are horribly maimed"
Indeed we can all agree with that … However, I doubt very few anywhere are pro-war …

Personal logo PaulCollins Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 4:10 p.m. PST

Quite awhile ago, yes.

Ragbones Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 5:47 p.m. PST

Nope

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2018 6:52 p.m. PST

No.

KSmyth18 Apr 2018 8:51 a.m. PST

Saw the movie, haven't read the book.

Trumbo's is simply another voice. It may not agree with yours; get over it.

DeHewes18 Apr 2018 10:33 a.m. PST

It's interesting to note that Dalton Trumbo changed his mind about pacifism. Although he took an anti-war stance in '38 when he wrote the book, after the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany in '41, he and his publishers suspended publication of the book for the duration of the war. He apparently re-embraced the ideas and directed the film adaption in '71.

Legion 418 Apr 2018 3:26 p.m. PST

It's interesting to note that Dalton Trumbo changed his mind about pacifism. Although he took an anti-war stance in '38 when he wrote the book, after the Soviet Union was attacked by Germany in '41, he and his publishers suspended publication of the book for the duration of the war.
Wonder they waited until '41 with Germany invading the USSR ?
Plenty of invasions before that, e.g. Poland, Norway, France, etc.

He apparently re-embraced the ideas and directed the film adaption in '71.
May of had something to do with the US involvement in Vietnam, Lao, Cambodia, etc. ?

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP20 Apr 2018 2:01 a.m. PST

I've come across the same all-encompassing injuries of the main character being employed in other anti-war novels and TV dramatisations here in the UK, principally with regard to WW1 (our "luvvies" all tend to be fully paid-up socialists). Yet nobody, it appears, has ever considered how highly improbable it would be that such extensive injuries would have been survivable, let alone leaving the casualty "normal" in mind, given the relatively limited medical knowledge of the time. Or indeed, if someone with such severe injuries would have been "allowed" to survive, eg by being "triaged" into the "long term wait" queue.

zoneofcontrol20 Apr 2018 6:20 a.m. PST

Super M +1

The goal of such works is to get you to "feel", not "think". Thinking is bad for business.

Legion 420 Apr 2018 6:29 a.m. PST

Yet nobody, it appears, has ever considered how highly improbable it would be that such extensive injuries would have been survivable, let alone leaving the casualty "normal" in mind, given the relatively limited medical knowledge of the time. Or indeed, if someone with such severe injuries would have been "allowed" to survive, eg by being "triaged" into the "long term wait" queue.
I have to agree with that … but it wouldn't play into the narrative that the author was try to get across. But again, all warfare, especially in WWI with Tech by passing tactics, e.g. ACW, slaughter of 1000s daily was sadly a norm.

But again his "thesis" is valid in that going to war is a very bloody undertaking and should be avoided. And yes … we probably all know that. For a number of reasons.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Apr 2018 7:28 a.m. PST

He apparently re-embraced the ideas and directed the film adaption in '71.

May of had something to do with the US involvement in Vietnam, Lao, Cambodia, etc. ?

… indirectly because of the profit to be made from Hippies?

It's interesting that the Nazi slaughter of millions is "bad" but it is "bad" to respond with violence to people willing to do things like the Huế Massacre.

Legion 420 Apr 2018 1:56 p.m. PST

Yes, the Hue Massacre was done by the VC, and the body count there included a large number of Catholic Nuns …

So …

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