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Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP30 Mar 2018 9:02 a.m. PST

I have a bunch of 10mm FOW figures. What in your opinion would be the best rules for large battles and why?

lkmjbc330 Mar 2018 10:48 a.m. PST

Volley & Bayonet…

coopman30 Mar 2018 10:57 a.m. PST

Did you mean FPW figures?

KevinV30 Mar 2018 11:30 a.m. PST

It depends on what you like. Our group has played FandF for years now. We've used it for everything from War of the Spanish succession up through FPW. It flows very well, we are comfortable with rules and captures the feel of each period.

Buckeye AKA Darryl30 Mar 2018 12:00 p.m. PST

BBB for huge battles, FandF for a little less than huge battles. You can use the same mounting convention for both I believe.

Perris070730 Mar 2018 12:56 p.m. PST

I have heard a lot of good things about the new 1871 rules. Should work very well for 10mm figures.

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian30 Mar 2018 3:59 p.m. PST

Age of Valor. Buy the set and you get anything new free. And the mechanics are "proven"

AussieAndy30 Mar 2018 6:33 p.m. PST

As you are probably aware, Age of Valor is an adaption of Age of Eagles (which, in turn, is based on Fire and Fury). As some of the concepts that differentiate Age of Eagles from Fire and Fury (such as the grand tactical movement and skirmish formation) are not used in Age of Valor, we have just used the Age of Valor charts with the Fire and Fury rules. That has worked well.

If you want to fight Sedan in an afternoon, then I would use BBB. Otherwise, I would go the Age of Valor/Fire and Fury route. As indicated above, its a "proven" system and many gamers will be familiar with it. You can also look at using Regimental Fire and Fury for smaller battles.

Good luck.

WFGamers31 Mar 2018 1:42 a.m. PST

We use our own set of rules developed from Fire and Fury and an earlier version 'Fire and Furia Francese' on our website.

The new rules are here – wfgamers.org.uk/FUFF.htm These are designed for each player to use 1 to 3 Corps.

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP02 Apr 2018 1:28 a.m. PST

In case it helps, there are collected links to reviews of BBB here:
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Chris

Bloody Big BATTLES!
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nickinsomerset02 Apr 2018 2:27 a.m. PST

Had some excellent 6mm games with 1870. BBB looks a little too much like a board game with 3D counters!

Tally Ho!

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP04 Apr 2018 8:37 a.m. PST

"BBB looks a little too much like a board game with 3D counters!"

There's no arguing with aesthetic judgements, of course, and indeed if you're talking about the 1796 operational-level games that Vincent Tsao and I have been posting about recently, then I'd agree they look like boardgames – unsurprisingly so, given the unusually large timescale and groundscale of those scenarios.

But for more typical BBB games, I suggest look at Alan Millicheap's blog where you'll find a wide variety of BBB games looking like wargames:
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Chris

138SquadronRAF05 Apr 2018 12:36 p.m. PST

Had the same thoughts, after researching the issue I decided that 1871 was the better option. A much more streamlined version of 1870 or 1866 that I had played.

Here is a review that I thought fair:

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Lascaris06 Apr 2018 8:43 p.m. PST

I have played all of the mentioned rules and eventually chose BBB for FPW gaming. I think it gives great battles and conveys how I think the war should "feel" quite well.

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP07 Apr 2018 6:53 a.m. PST

Thanks guys. Lots to consider here. I have all the rules except 1871. But I have been tempted by them.

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