Artilleryman | 22 Mar 2018 12:40 p.m. PST |
After being recommended to do so, I have recently purchased AK Interactive's 'Old and Weathered Wood' sets. They look just the thing. However, I want to make the best use of them. Can anyone recommend a good tutorial somewhere on the net (preferably in writing) that I can access? |
Tango01 | 22 Mar 2018 12:40 p.m. PST |
Cool Wood Model!
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link Amicalement Armand
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Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 1:13 p.m. PST |
That is the most ironically close juxtaposition of postings by the bug I have yet seen. Is TMP gaining rudimentary AI capabilities? - Ix |
Artilleryman | 22 Mar 2018 1:44 p.m. PST |
It lurks in the shadows and pounces. I am lucky that it is the first time it has happened to me. |
deadhead | 22 Mar 2018 1:47 p.m. PST |
OK, this will show my ignorance……. and I also admit that ten seconds on Google would explain this… But why is an RN ship bristling with guns flying the red ensign….surely the merchant navy……or were things different then? (ah, I should have read through the link…this is a privateer basically….not quite a pirate…not quite) The old, pre Union, national flag in front. She is in harbour? Somehow I seem to remember three national flags, at the same time, rarely seen, means far more; in harbour, admiral on board and court martial in progress……… But that is decades beyond my comfort zone…am I still remembering right? |
Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 2:00 p.m. PST |
I thought the flags show she's serving under a vice admiral ("of the red") and flying/repeating the signal for the line (jack on foretop). But then, I have trouble remembering breakfast, so don't take my word for it. - Ix |
Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 2:04 p.m. PST |
To provide a slightly relevant answer to the first OP, Google video searches turn up lots of tutorials for AK Interactive paints. I should probably watch some of them, since I haven't been able to make AKI panel liners look right on my own… Here's the result of a search for "ak interactive weathering wood". - Ix |
deadhead | 22 Mar 2018 2:15 p.m. PST |
Again I am an 1815 and land only buff….but is not the "Union" jack on the bowsprit, not the foremast, telling us ship at anchor in harbour, despite the billowing sails? The "Red Ensign" I mentioned applies to the flag at the back….. not the foremast. That has long been the merchant navy I thought. Are you saying both meant a vice admiral back then? I thought admirals' flags were cross of St George with a red disc or two depending on how important….or was that only 20th C? Look, I know nothing about this but would be interested. I just always remember the three Union Flags at one time idea as very unusual but highly significant |
Artilleryman | 22 Mar 2018 3:39 p.m. PST |
Thanks Admiral. Do you know of any written advice? |
Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 5:49 p.m. PST |
I know of only what I can find using search engines, and modern Internet culture is obsessed with making videos for everything, even when it's the worst possible format. I guess it's one of the ironies of current technology that it's easier to create and distribute a (bad) motion picture than simple written instructions. It looks like AK Interactive has a big downloads page with some visual guides to various techniques: ak-interactive.com/downloads Both the Tech Sheets and Tutorials may contain useful information. Or they may convince you to spend even more money on products you never knew you needed. :-) - Ix |
Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 6:17 p.m. PST |
…but is not the "Union" jack on the bowsprit, not the foremast…? LOL! You are correct, sir. There were so many sails up there, I didn't realize they were hanging from a bowsprit. In my defense, that bowsprit looks unnaturally vertical in that photo. :-) Looking at some of the other angles, it's possible the model maker angled it a bit too high, and the low-angle photo exacerbates the effect:
Or maybe this ship had an unusually high angle to the bowsprit… it takes some area to fill two spritsails. <shrug> Dunno. I tend to question everything on modern models of 17th C. ships. There's a lot of argument in modeling communities about what was and was not really done, and in any case the 17th C. was an experimental period. It can be hard to tell what's "correct". The page Armand linked to says HMS Mordaunt was built in 1681 and lost in 1693, at which time the flag signals were different, as well as many of the flags themselves. I've only "studied" (er, read a few times) about flags around the times of Hawke, Rodney, Hood and Nelson, so I really have no basis on which to judge this model. According to this page, that red ensign is an anachronism, since the ship sank before 1707. The red ensign had only the cross of Saint George on a white canton in the corner before then – indeed, van de Velde drew Mordaunt flying such a flag:
OTOH, real life trends don't always start and stop as suddenly as pedantic history buffs would like them to.
- Ix |
Yellow Admiral | 22 Mar 2018 6:19 p.m. PST |
PS: If we're going to nitpick the model – those anchors would be dragging in the water, hung that way. Hmph! |
deadhead | 23 Mar 2018 7:50 a.m. PST |
Oh the model is great. The bow flag means they are at anchor…or will be in a few seconds, as gravity grabs the anchors further. They just need to do something about those sails rather sharpish…. I nitpick over buttons and lace on 28mm figures, but know nothing about ships of that era. Now if it was RN of WWII, that would be different. Then I would be comparing the radar on POW in late 1941 with DoY in Pacific Fleet 1945……. |
Tango01 | 23 Mar 2018 10:54 a.m. PST |
This became a trully hillarious ,incredible and interesting thread… (smile) Thanks to DA BUG! ….
Amicalement Armand
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Yellow Admiral | 25 Mar 2018 11:48 a.m. PST |
The bow flag means they are at anchor…or will be in a few seconds, as gravity grabs the anchors further. They just need to do something about those sails rather sharpish…. Who is this "they" you refer to? It's a ghost ship! There is not a single human visible aboard. Under that much canvas, the deck should be full of figures, and there should be a least a couple aloft. - Ix |
deadhead | 25 Mar 2018 12:33 p.m. PST |
Do you know….? It is a funny convention. The most beautiful ships, with the tiniest detail, are never spoiled by the presence of a single human being…… This ship is in harbour, to judge by the Jack, it is under full sail, the crew are all below celebrating their return safe and sound…..and the harbourmaster is screaming to his staff to evacuate their dockside offices as fast as is practicable! BTW, did we ever post any advice about painting wood? Poor Artilleryman…. |
138SquadronRAF | 25 Mar 2018 1:34 p.m. PST |
My advice on painting wood. Untreated wood will gradually age to a grey shade. |
deadhead | 25 Mar 2018 2:39 p.m. PST |
Totally agree. Light grey. Black wash. Highlight with a whitish drybrush…. But I somehow suspect the poster was talking about wood somehow being used by a military unit….ie treated……. We need more info |
Yellow Admiral | 25 Mar 2018 10:14 p.m. PST |
He was specifically seeking help with the AK Interactive wood weathering set. I haven't seen the set myself, but I imagine it includes both paints and washes. AK Interactive has a lot of such products. There's a lot of enthusiasm for AKI products, but I admit I haven't been able to do anything with either their paints or panel liners that I couldn't already do with acrylic paints and inks. I was also annoyed to discover the products I got required mineral spirits for thinning and cleanup, so I'm unlikely to get any more without a forced epiphany. - Ix |