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Tango0121 Mar 2018 12:21 p.m. PST

"It is 600 years since Henry V led England to victory at the battle of Agincourt, defeating a French army significantly bigger than his own. But despite deservedly being one of the most famous battles of the Middle Ages, Agincourt is not necessarily one of the most significant of the era, argues medieval warfare expert Dr Sean McGlynn…"
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Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Mar 2018 3:36 a.m. PST

Have to agree that the long term sifnificance of Agincourt is neglectible, while I ahve to disagree with some of the other classifications. But I assume that you will be hard pressed to find two historians (lay or professional) who would fully agree upon a list.

Old Peculiar22 Mar 2018 4:10 a.m. PST

The last battle is the most significant, to both side! Agincourt was not decisive, as the advantages that could have been gained foundered on the mortality of Henry V.

Sir Walter Rlyeh22 Mar 2018 10:57 a.m. PST

Two of my favorites

Los Navas de Tolosa, 1212 – determined that Iberia would be European Christian not Mediterranean Muslim

Ain Jalut, 1260 – Mamluks defeat the Mongols and destroy the myth of Mongol invincibility

Unlike Agincourt, both battles had an impact on the ethno religious make up of a region up to modern times. Agincourt significance is as socio political victory of middle class archers over upper class knights.

Tango0122 Mar 2018 11:00 a.m. PST

Agree!

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Father Grigori22 Mar 2018 3:00 p.m. PST

Patay 1429 and Castillon 1453 for the HYW, or Kulikovo in 1380.
But surely the most important would be Constantinople in 1453.

PaulByzantios22 Mar 2018 11:37 p.m. PST

Actually, arguably the most important battles of the Middle Ages are Byzantine. Yarmuk 636 AD, Manzikert 1071 AD and Constantinople 1204 AD (not the siege of 1453 AD.

Reverse the battle of Yarmuk to a Byzantine victory and Islam's conquest of the Middle East is stopped or delayed and perhaps Islam itself is confined to the Arabian peninsula.

Manzikert may be even more important. A Byzantine victory or even a draw preserves the Asia Minor heartland of the Empire. So Crusaders have an easy road with minimal losses to Antioch or perhaps there are no Crusades required. Turkey probably doesn't exist or is a state with borders starting past Armenia and never becomes a threat to Europe.

4th Crusade capture of Constantinople. This was a very near run thing. If the Byzantines had held off the Crusaders and Venetians, Constantinople wouldn't have been sacked, the Empire not fatally wounded and the greatest likelihood is that the Empire would have retained it's European territories, even if the rest of Asia Minor was eventually conquered by the Turks. So no Ottoman threat to Europe and perhaps most importantly the preservation of ancient knowledge in the libraries and archives of Constantinople would hopefully have lasted to the present day.

Tango0123 Mar 2018 11:07 a.m. PST

Good choises….!

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