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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 7:30 p.m. PST

I mean after all, there seem to be some specific figure ranges and rules they might like to see discussed, right?

Just wondering. I don't really have a dog in that race, nor in the Vietnam War Board, but one really does seem to be living up to its reputation as the "Forgotten War", even here.

Dan
PS. It can't simply be because the weapons hardly changed from those of WW2, right? Other wars with similar or identical weapons have their own boards on TMP. Like I said, just wondering.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 7:35 p.m. PST

In decades of attending gaming conventions, I believe I've seen one Korean War game being played. Not much discussion to be had if no one is wanting to talk to others about gaming it.

If there are, I suppose they would ask for a board to facilitate the discussions.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 7:55 p.m. PST

I stock infantry for that period. I din;t think I;ve sold a pack in 10 years.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 Mar 2018 9:46 p.m. PST

I don't think anyone ever proposed a Korean War board before.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 9:55 p.m. PST

Work for it, Dan.
Like I did for American Revolution. grin

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 9:57 p.m. PST

It's one of those periods where someone says, "That looks interesting. Let someone else collect and paint the figures and run a game, and I'll play."

To be honest, if it came up in a Poll, I would probably vote "I would not support this Board". Not that I'm against it, I would not know enough to start threads and contribute. That's what "support" means. And that's why a majority isn't needed. Just enough to contribute.

NKL AeroTom20 Mar 2018 10:06 p.m. PST

There are a few significant conflicts that have miniatures and/or rules, without their own board here. Can't expect a board for all of them! :)

unless you would like boards for…
Soviet-Afghan War
South African Border-War / Angola
Iran-Iraq war
First and Second Chechen Wars
Indo-Pakistani Wars
Bosnia / Kosovo
Syrian Civil War

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 10:25 p.m. PST

"First and Second Chechen Wars"?

Lol. I thought it had been all just one extremely long one!

Well, looking back at some threads it looks like there might be a few TMPers with some interest in a Korean War Board. Here are a few:

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Like I said, I don't have a dog in that fight. It's not my period. I was just curious.

Dan

Jim Selzer Supporting Member of TMP20 Mar 2018 11:10 p.m. PST

because it was a police action not a war

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 4:29 a.m. PST

Aren't they all, when one steps out of place and gets put back? :)

Dan

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 5:53 a.m. PST

Because it is the "Forgotten War."

daler240D Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 6:11 a.m. PST

I have ceased to be amazed at the periods that some people have chosen to make armies for and game.

Legion 421 Mar 2018 7:12 a.m. PST

because it was a police action not a war
LOL ! Was in the ROK 22 months, '84-'85. Even though we were an Infantry Bn, the "truce" since '53 said only MPs could be on the DMZ. We wore MP Shoulder Brassards. And so in turn then we were de facto, MPs. With APCs, TOWs, etc. ! LOL ! evil grin

Because it is the "Forgotten War."
Very much so, we studied it and when in the ROK we saw and operated in some of the "famous" battle locations, etc., e.g. Chipyong-ni, Chinese Tunnel, etc. … But many in the USA had no idea we had so many troops still there.

It was still very much a "Hot Zone" when I was there, before and since. And probably hotter with Un trying to get nucs.

So I would like to see more gamers play and post battles/games about the Korean War, '50-'53. And even "what-if" games about the war starting up again. As it is not over it's only a truce …

And I'd much rather see a game about the war there recommencing now. Than it actually happening.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 7:37 a.m. PST

The conflict makes for a great board game. But miniatures, not so much. You don't need TMPs blessing to game this conflict. People act like they cannot do a period because there isn't a TMP board for it. I do the FPW despite there not being a board for it on TMP. I could care less.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 8:55 a.m. PST

One of my uncles was wounded fighting in Korea.

He was certainly very happy to do his best to try to forget the war and never talked about it!

ScottS21 Mar 2018 9:02 a.m. PST

I've got 28mm scale armies for Korea. They aren't huge, but they're respectable – they'll work for Bolt Action or Chain of Command. I figure a creative use of Late WWII US or Soviet armies – with appropriate troop choices – should work.

I used Warlord's US "Winter" troops for Americans and 1st Corps' Chinese infantry. I've also got an M-4A3E8 Sherman and a T-34/85 to round it out.

But no one I have talked to has expressed even the slightest interest in this.

28mm Fanatik21 Mar 2018 1:01 p.m. PST

even the slightest interest in this

Or these:

Chinese Civil War (1946)
The Boer War (1st and 2nd)
Mexican-American War
Spanish Civil War
The Ukrainian "Frozen" War
The Iraq War (1991 and 2003)

Legion 421 Mar 2018 1:53 p.m. PST

He was certainly very happy to do his best to try to forget the war and never talked about it!
Thank him for his service for me, if you can. thumbs up And my Father was WIA in WWII as well.

We still need to remember our history. And with more gaming the Korean War, it may help with it no longer being the "Forgotten War". With many MIAs, the US Military is still trying to account for. Again, it's just a truce, the war per se is still not over. As we certainly see daily in the media.

We can only hope it is ended with a peaceful long lasting resolution …

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 6:31 p.m. PST

I've only ever had the chance to play in one Korean conflict scenario (barring air combat, which I've done many times- but us air combat guys are already seen as some kind of side curiosity at best by the lead flinging masses). I had a ton of fun (I think it was a HAWKS scenario at Historicon- not sure though). However, I never had the desire to put on my own Korean (ground) game, and haven't seen many games since.

If I did see a fun scenario, though, I'd be all over it.

I'm frankly surprised there isn't more British interest in the Korean War, since there were several notable actions involving the Brits, and they get to use those nifty Centurions to boot.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP21 Mar 2018 7:42 p.m. PST

And quite a few decorations apparently:

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Dan
PS. Seems like Pendraken has a new Koran War range. The detail on the 10mm greens is amazing:
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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP22 Mar 2018 2:29 a.m. PST

Not enough Korean wargamers.
The war is extremely important in the Korean society (hence many very good war movies) but i don't think wargaming is big over there. If it was o think you could sell a decent amount pf figure.

deephorse22 Mar 2018 5:39 a.m. PST

I'd buy a "Hot Lips" Houlihan miniature. As for a Board, zero interest.

Legion 422 Mar 2018 6:58 a.m. PST

From the movie or TV series ? evil grin Or both ?


The war is extremely important in the Korean society (hence many very good war movies) but i don't think wargaming is big over there. If it was o think you could sell a decent amount pf figure.
I would think a number in the USA would be interested, as there are may Vets alive from the "hot" war. So it's not like it's completely gone from memory, etc. Albeit called "The Forgotten War" And there are a lot more like me, a Vet of the Cold War who served in the ROK/DMZ (but in my case all I do is Sci-fi these days !).

And the US still has IIRC, over 30,000 troops in the ROK. And the current geopolitical situation with Un & nucs is in the media almost daily. Again, "What-if" scenarios …

But I think since the war did not have a lot of Tanks/AFVs involved it does not have the appeal to some/many that WWII in the ETO/Med/Eastern Front does. I.e. Not a lot of "Panzers" on the board to play with … evil grin

As far as South Korean war gamers … don't know if there are any on TMP ? Bill ?

wyeayeman23 Mar 2018 2:21 a.m. PST

I am interested. Though I think the gaming opportunities are quite limited.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP24 Mar 2018 10:45 a.m. PST

Bill

We found one!

Dan

Uparmored24 Mar 2018 11:43 p.m. PST

Rallynow: come on! Pork Chop Hill or Incheon landings would be great with miniatures

Came across this, cool!

LDC27125 Mar 2018 9:31 p.m. PST

And the US still has IIRC, over 30,000 troops in the ROK. And the current geopolitical situation with Un & nucs is in the media almost daily. Again, "What-if" scenarios …

It's actually significantly quieter now, after the new (not-so-pro-American) South Korean president took power. That or Kim has enough food to feed his subjects again.

A 2nd Korean War in Team Yankee era would be interesting (and something I'm working on at the moment).

But I think since the war did not have a lot of Tanks/AFVs involved it does not have the appeal to some/many that WWII in the ETO/Med/Eastern Front does. I.e. Not a lot of "Panzers" on the board to play with … evil grin

Probably the same reason Italy/Pacific are not WWII fan's favorite: you need a lot of special (hilly) terrain to pull a Korea off.
That and Chinese are super under-featured in wargaming in general, the only two companies I can think off are Eureka and Rebel mini.

Joes Shop Supporting Member of TMP26 Mar 2018 6:31 a.m. PST

I would certainly support a Koran War Board.

I have a large 1/200 collection for gaming the air conflict and will be going all in when the complete Pendraken 10mm range comes out.

I will be basing for CrossFire which I think is ideal for this conflict.

"..you need a lot of special (hilly) terrain to pull a Korea off."

Agreed: I have considered other (larger) scales over the years but rejected them for just that reason.

ScottS26 Mar 2018 7:19 a.m. PST

Not all of the combat in Korea took place in hills or mountains. The west side of the country is comparatively flat:

Legion 426 Mar 2018 7:33 a.m. PST

It's actually significantly quieter now, after the new (not-so-pro-American) South Korean president took power. That or Kim has enough food to feed his subjects again.
Yes, but that concept, the Sunshine Policy was tried before. And as we see that "idea" did not last very long. And probably won't in the future.

Also note again Un has about 1000-1500 FA pieces of all types pointing at Seoul. Or so the intel believes. And I don't doubt it even if the numbers are only half that.

Some of the younger Koreans don't really see the usefulness of the unification of both Koreas under the South(and certainly not under the North!]. Many of the relatives, etc., of the South caught in the North after the war are now dead, etc. Of old age or otherwise with Un's draconian rule.

Plus and more importantly, IMO. To bring the North into the 20st let alone 21st Century would cost a very large expenditure of the South. Somewhat similar to what happened to West and East Germany. Would this re-development/renewal of the North affect the South's thriving economy ? Yes, but how much is still debatable. Regardless it would cost a lot of investment/"Won" …

The US has made it clear, they do not want regime change or a hot war with the North to start up again. Only to end the threat of Un's nuc capabilities to the US, Japan, etc.

The unification question of the Koreas is between the two of them. However, the end of the current regime would be a welcomed event. As if for nothing else, the Uns and their daddy and granddaddy are war criminals and/or be charged with crimes against humanity. But that really comes under the UN or Hague's purview. And which that it means pretty much nothing will happen.

As far as sanctions etc. causing the Un regime pain … Their people starving, etc. Just take a look at Un or his sister. Neither of them look like they are starving, especially him. Or neither appear to need much medical care. But IIRC, Un has high blood pressure or something like that. Regardless his and her deaths would not be a bad thing IMO.

Whitestreak Supporting Member of TMP30 Mar 2018 2:00 p.m. PST

Dan sent me a private message about this thread, & I thought I'd post the pertinent portion of my reply:

I don't have as much an overriding interest in the Korean War as I do in the aerial aspects of most modern conflicts.

I'd probably read through a board, though – you can never really tell when something might pique your interest.

I guess you could say that I'm firmly ambiguous about the creation of a new board for the Korean War. :)

Pyrate Captain23 Apr 2018 8:20 p.m. PST

Probably because of the same line of reasoning that combined fantasy pirates with the Battle of Trafalgar to from the "Age of Sail" board.

Fred Cartwright24 Apr 2018 4:39 p.m. PST

I think the problem would be finding enough people to play the Chinese. Every time I have heard it discussed it is in the context of people using their existing WW2 collections, but that doesn't supply the opposition.

Legion 425 Apr 2018 2:39 p.m. PST

Well 20% of the world is Chinese … so … wink

Legion 427 Apr 2018 6:45 a.m. PST

From what I saw on the news today … The Korean War may be over shortly ! huh?

LOL !!!! Yeah … like that is ever going to happen anytime soon !!! evil grin

ScottS27 Apr 2018 9:29 a.m. PST

I think the problem would be finding enough people to play the Chinese. Every time I have heard it discussed it is in the context of people using their existing WW2 collections, but that doesn't supply the opposition.

FINDING Chinese is a big problem.

West End Games produces a single squad in 28mm. It's good, but a single squad isn't enough to build an army. The rest of my stuff is re-purposed and converted late WWII Soviets.

Marshal Amherst28 Apr 2018 6:57 p.m. PST

"…like that is ever going to happen anytime soon !!!…"

Deal is done.
Think blast-cave in of NK mountain
Think Forbidden City meeting (who else was there)
Think Olympics meetings
Think Pompeo Easter trip

Deal is Done.
Enjoy Peace.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2018 8:55 p.m. PST

Lol. Peace? Please! :)

Dan

Legion 429 Apr 2018 7:52 a.m. PST

I hope you are right Marshal … Maybe I'm biased after serving 22 months in the ROK '84-'85. With a forwarded deploy Mech Bn and 2 tours on the DMZ. My POV on the topic may forever be tainted ?

But Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown comes to mind …

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP30 Apr 2018 9:27 a.m. PST

Deal is Done.
Enjoy Peace.

In our time.

Legion 430 Apr 2018 1:18 p.m. PST

Hmmm ? Seems I've heard that somewhere … before ?

Buckeye AKA Darryl01 May 2018 5:23 p.m. PST

There is a forum, with several boards on it:

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And the air war would be quite interesting to game…hell, I do game it!

Legion 402 May 2018 6:07 a.m. PST

thumbs up I'd think in air battles today with Nork AF vs. the ROKs, US, and maybe Japan AFs. The Norks would get the "kimchi" blown out of them …

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2018 3:54 a.m. PST

Here's something I hadn't seen before.

Dan

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Legion 403 May 2018 6:09 a.m. PST

Yeah … I saw those and even "worse" … Classic Communist propaganda. No one believes most of that, save for the NoKoComs, and a few of their allies, i.e. old school Chicoms. It would be considered "racist" if it was US propaganda, I'd think. By today's "standards(s)" …

The only thing keeping Un, his sister and his cronies alive. Is that no one wants, besides some NoKos, to see Seoul and the surrounding area hit by those 1000-1500 FA pieces, etc. Which are their primary target(s). At least any of those that are not intercepted/survive US/ROK air and missile strikes, etc.

As no matter what we do some of those rounds, rockets, missiles, etc. will hit Seoul and cause heavy losses. I.e. @ 12 million+ people live in that area, and not just Koreans but many Americans, etc. Seoul is packed on top of itself like NYC/Manhattan. A very target rich environment.

As I said, if the ROKs with the US wanted to, we could defeat the NoKos in a short amount of time. But the loses especially to non-combats on both sides would be very, very high. The NoKo military vs. the ROK & US military would not last long in a conflict. But again the losses to Koreans would be very costly …

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2018 6:26 a.m. PST

Legion 4

I've the "worse" ones before, specially the North Korean ones. Those two are totally new to me though.

Dan

Legion 403 May 2018 6:37 a.m. PST

There are probably more than those around that you & I have seen …

Remember the US and ROK are still in a state of war with the NoKos. And Un and his sister like being in power. By keeping their military and [some] of their people believing that the US/ROK will restart the war any day now. It only helps keeping them large and in charge along with their "supporters" … All fat, dumb and happy … Both of them and others would be up on charges of crimes against humanity if they survived a commencement of hostilities. "Better dead than Red" … wink

Marshal Amherst03 May 2018 6:15 p.m. PST

"…My POV on the topic may forever be tainted…"

Our POV's not a problem
Lifetime of being lied to was
NK was a hostage
Is now free
Deal is Done

Legion 404 May 2018 1:01 p.m. PST

I'm still pretty skeptical that will actually happen Marshal … But I'll be waiting …

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