"ORBAT for the BAOR 4th Armoured Brigade, 1983, HELP!" Topic
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| LazyStudent3 | 19 Mar 2018 9:27 a.m. PST |
Hi all, I am starting a Cold War gone Hot project. I am wanting to field the 4th Armoured Brigade in 1983, but I am having a real pain on the internet trying to find out the ORBAT for that brigade at that time. I was hoping that some of the fine people of the TMP might know more!? Thanks in advance!
LS |
| Major Mike | 19 Mar 2018 10:45 a.m. PST |
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| BattlerBritain | 19 Mar 2018 10:49 a.m. PST |
Armies of NATO's Central Front, pub 1985, has 4th Armoured Brigade as:
HQ York Bks, Munster
mech bn: 1 Irish Guards, Munster
armd rgt: QRIH, Munster
armd rgt: 17/21st Lancers, Munster The armd rgts might have been receiving Challenger 1s about 1985. Would need to check elsewhere for that. |
| 22ndFoot | 19 Mar 2018 11:13 a.m. PST |
HQ and 204th Signals Sqn (Munster)
Queen's Royal Irish Hussars (Munster) replaced Mar 1988 by 14th/20th King's Royal Hussars
17th/21st Lancers (Munster) replace Dec 1990 by Royal Hussars
1st Btn Irish Guards replaced Jan 1986 by 1st Btn Grenadier Guards 4th Armoured Brigade converted to Challengers in 1986, so you can't have the Micks and Challengers at the same time. Source: The British Army in Germany: An Organizational History 1947-2004, by Graham Watson, Richard A. Rinaldi. |
| seneffe | 19 Mar 2018 1:46 p.m. PST |
Watson and Rinaldi's book states (p100) that the 4th Armoured Brigade's conversion to Challengers took place during 1985-86, following the 7th's conversion in 1983-84. This is right for about one regiment per year until the end of the cold war.
I think the 17/21st received their Challengers first- in the spring of 1985. |
| LazyStudent3 | 20 Mar 2018 1:48 a.m. PST |
Thank you all! Exactly what I was needing. I think investment in Watson's and Rinaldi's book will be my next step. Cheers,
LS |
| nickinsomerset | 20 Mar 2018 5:33 a.m. PST |
Yes, 17/21 received C1 first, QRIH had it by Summer Sales 1986, the CO's fell through a farm yard into a cellar! Tally Ho! |
| Andy Rix | 16 Apr 2018 12:09 p.m. PST |
Major Mike, that is a comprehensive piece of work, very useful |
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adds infantry to his Israeli force.
