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MagnusPloug218 Mar 2018 4:11 a.m. PST

Dear community

In the Funcken book "Arms and Uniforms – The Napoleonic Wars" on a page with infantry from the state of "Hesse-Darmstadt", one of the men is labelled "regiment du corps".

Does any one know what this means. Is it a line regiment?

Mollinary18 Mar 2018 6:11 a.m. PST

I would suspect it is the Leibregiment?

Cerdic18 Mar 2018 6:43 a.m. PST

Well, the word corps literally means "body". So a 'regiment of the body' has the meaning in English of bodyguard. More or less.

So your feller is basically in the guards.

Prince of Essling18 Mar 2018 8:13 a.m. PST

Indeed body guard – to act as guard for the palaces.
Histofig illustration:

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Knotel:
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42flanker18 Mar 2018 8:14 a.m. PST

'Regiment du corps', as in 'Garde du Corps'- except I believe that in German usage the term tended to designate cavalry.

'Leib regiment' in German has the same meaning as 'regiment du corps'(Lit. Body regiment) but was used in this period to designate infantry-

as in 'Leib Regiment,' 'Leib Garde', 'Leib Grenadier Garde,' etc.

Esquire18 Mar 2018 9:02 a.m. PST

Well, I am glad you asked this question because: i) it caused me to learn about Hesse Darmstadt and ii) it reaffirms my belief that you have to be very careful using Funken. I am an old fart and relied upon Funken for years -- the best we had. But be careful. So, what have we learned? There are two Hesse Darmstadt Garde du Corps uniforms. As shown by Prince of Essling and the Historifig figure, a yellow one for formal/parade and a blue one for campaign. I might lack knowledge, but I cannot think of another unit with such disparate parade versus campaign uniforms. But what does Funken do? It shows the campaign uniform (blue) in the picture but then describes the parade uniform -- without any explanation. Classic. Total confusion if that is your only source.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP18 Mar 2018 9:46 a.m. PST

The most confusing thing about those books is that the text is often many pages from the pictures…….

But how wonderful were they back then? Blandford were only getting started. Osprey were just a twinkle in someone's eye.

Kids these days….they know nowt…….. we had it hard in our day.

Fatuus Natural18 Mar 2018 10:25 a.m. PST

Ah, yes. I loved my Blandford books. I used to save up for them, and then pore over them for hours. I still have them, all though the dusk jackets have become rather tatty.

Esquire18 Mar 2018 11:28 a.m. PST

And my first set of Funcken was in French so that only added to the confusion. And yes, as I young man/boy, I tried to translate. I can still find translations in pencil above certain passages Books are very beat up since it was my only source for painting guides.

MagnusPloug218 Mar 2018 12:06 p.m. PST

wow – thats a lot of helpfulness. How wonderful and helpful. I have a battalion of minifigs 25mm that I want to paint as those. Thanks.

Funcken is the books of my childhood miniature times and they are lovely. Haven't seen them i years and gaining acces to them I now see, as i commented, that the text is indeed not very elaborate.

At the bottom are the picture and text.

Funcken is defiantly talking about infantry in this case – so I dont think it should be interpreted as "gard du corpse" which I also understand to generally refer to cavalry.
So, what I get from the above is that in term of Hesse-Darmstadt Infantry (as here) "regiment du corps" is the same as the Leib regiment – which is a regiment for field service and not a guarding regiment. Any disagree?

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Prince of Essling18 Mar 2018 2:52 p.m. PST

Below is my attempt to try and clarify evolution of the Hesse-Darmstadt army:

Duchy of Hesse-Darmstadt
August 1806 became a Grand Duchy; prior to that date was a Landgraftschaft.

Infantry:
1790 infantry regiments comprised regimental HQ of 16 personnel, 2 battalions of 4 musketeer companies, each of 110 personnel.

In June 1803 the Hesse-Darmstadt Army was reorganised following new territorial acquisitions. The infantry was brigaded (the equivalent of regiments) – 2 infantry battalions plus 1 fusilier battalion. Brigade HQ 7 personnel, battalion HQ 16 personnel, and 103 (7 schϋtzen) personnel per company. Three Garrison brigades (soon retitled "Reservebrigaden") were formed – each comprised a Landregiment (militia) and a Garnison (garrison) Bataillon.

1806 Reserve Brigades battalions comprised of 4 companies each of 160 personnel.

1809 Regiment Gross-und Erbprinz reorganised into 3 battalions of 6 companies (1 grenadier, 1 voltigeur & 4 fusilier) for service in Spain.


Leib Regiment zu Fϋẞ
1803 June – Leib-Brigade
1806 August – Leib-Garde Brigade
1812 February – Leib-Garde Regiment

Landgraf Regiment
1803 June – Brigade Landgraf
1806 August – Leib-Brigade
1812 February – Leib-Regiment

Erbprinz Bataillon (Garrison battalion)
1794 December – Feld-bataillon Erbprinz (raised)
1803 June – Brigade Erbprinz
1806 August – Brigade Gross und Erbprinz
1808 August – Gross und Erbprinz Regiment
1812 April – captured at Badajoz.
1814 May – re-raised from returning prisoners & new recruits

Prinz Emil Regiment (raised 1814)

1st Leib-Grenadier Bataillon
1799 November – 1st Fϋsilier-Bataillon
1803 June – attached to Brigade Erbprinz as Fϋsilier Battalion
1806 August – 2nd Leib-Fϋsilier Bataillon
1808 August – amalgamated with line battalions into Gross-und Erbprinz Regiment

Hanau-Lichtenberg Grenadier Batailon
1790 became 2nd Leib-Grenadier Bataillon
1803 – disbanded, most personnel to Fϋsilier Bataillon
1803 June – attached to Landgraf Brigade
1806 August – renamed "1st Leib-Fϋsilier Bataillon"
1812 April – became part of Provisional Leichtes Infanterie-Regiment

Leichtes Infanterie Bataillon
1799 November – 2nd Fϋsilier Bataillon
1803 June – attached to Leib-Brigade as 1st Leib-Fϋsilier Battalion
1806 August – Garde-Fϋsilier Bataillon
1812 April – became part of Provisional Leichtes Infanterie-Regiment

Provisional Leichtes Infanterie-Regiment
1812 April formed from Garde-Fϋsilier Bataillon & 1st Leib-Fϋsilier Battalion
1813 June – renamed "Garde-Fϋsilier Regiment"

Jδgerkorps
Disbanded 1796ish

Land-Regiment ??

Depot Bataillon ??

Garnisons-Brigade Starkenburg (formed June 1803) – attached to Leib-Brigade
Garnisons-Brigade Oberhessen (formed June 1803) – attached to Brigade Landgraf
Garnisons-Brigade Westfalen (formed June 1803) – attached to Brigade Erbprinz

Cavalry:

Garde du Corps

Regiment Chevauxlegers (raised 1790 with 2 squadrons)
1791 – 3rd squadron added.
1806 renamed Garde-Chevauxleger Regiment
1812 – 4th squadrons added; nearly destroyed at Berezina.
1813 – reraised with 4 squadrons

Husaren-Korps
(Gendarmerie type unit rather than a field regiment)

Landdragoner (internal security unit)

Artillery:
1790 April 2 artillery companies
1806 – 3 companies
1813 – 4 companies each with 6 x 6pdr cannon & 2 x 7pdr howitzers

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Garde de Paris18 Mar 2018 6:41 p.m. PST

Just how large was this Garde du Corps Cavalry unit? I don't think it was more than a single company or squadron. I recall passing it by back in the 1960's while researching Knoetel at the Philadelphia Public Library.

GdeP

MagnusPloug219 Mar 2018 2:22 a.m. PST

Thank you Prince of Essling, that is an enormous piece of reference.

What would your take bee on the Funcken "regiment du corps" infantry in my inquiry (the exact same as in your 2nd picture but with light blues facing instead of red). Which of the reg/bat. listed does it correspond to, and do you know anything about to where it was deployed and saw action?

(I see that my pictures are gone. It was the first time for me putting a picture on the web and apparently photo bucket is not free for this service -i will try and find another hosting party for future sharing).

Mollinary19 Mar 2018 4:51 a.m. PST

Go down to illustration 10.

Mollinary19 Mar 2018 4:56 a.m. PST

brigade-uniform-tafeln.de


Has a complete card covering the Leibregiment of the Grossherzogtum (Grand Duchy) Hesse-Darmstadt, including it's Flags. It shows the uniform 1809-1814 with the light blue facings you describe. If you cannot find this, a simple web search for Leibregiment Hesse-Darmstadt turns up a vast array of hits if you look under Images.

Mollinary

Prince of Essling19 Mar 2018 1:32 p.m. PST

@MagnusPloug2,
Have just had a glance at "Armies of Germany and the Confederation of the Rhine 1792-1815 (Volume. 1) by George F. Nafziger -which covers Hesse Darmstadt.

He says on 1 December 1806 according to French archival material refers to Garde zu Fuss Brigade, Garde du Corps Brigade & Erbprinz brigade. Reading between the lines the Garde du Corps brigade equates to the Leib-Brigade which wore light blue facings.

1806 including flag:

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1809-13
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Afraid my sources are silent on the strength of the mounted garde du Corps, but were very likely small in number.

Prince of Essling19 Mar 2018 2:03 p.m. PST

Leib-Regiment 1813-14:
link Mounted Officer
link standards
linkSoldat der 2. und Soldat der 4. Kompagnie in Rόckansicht, Ganzfiguren
linkSubaltern-Offizier; Sergeant und 6 Mannschaften der 1. Kompagnie
link Subaltern-Offizier; Sergeant; Gemeiner der 8. Kompagnie
link Musicians

Major Bloodnok20 Mar 2018 11:14 a.m. PST

Either my meds are acting up or I can see the Cheshire cat's tail, sticking out from behind the Zimmermann's cap, in the 1768-1790 plate…

Prince of Essling20 Mar 2018 2:51 p.m. PST

@Major Blodnok – I think you need a new pair of spectacles!

MagnusPloug221 Mar 2018 11:08 a.m. PST

Being of the internet for a few days its impressive and very much helpfull to see all the knowledge and reference that has come up.

This is a wonderfull help and not something my google-skills would have turned up in a hundred days.

I haven't seen the book you mention and for the moment I am now more than covered and can get my unit painted.

Thank you all who has contributed!!

Paul Demet25 Mar 2018 11:36 p.m. PST

There is a detailed history of the Garde du Corps, which had a total of 65 officers and men in 1790 – 'Geschichte der Grossherzoglich Hessischen Garde-Unteroffiziers-Compagnie, zur Feier ihres zweihundertjährigen Bestehens auf allerhöchsten Befehl seiner königlichen Hoheit des Grossherzogs bearbeitet'by Carl Christian Roeder von Diersburg, freiherr published by Bekker in Darmstadt in 1857. It includes details of the changes in uniforms and is available on line at: PDF link

Paul Demet25 Mar 2018 11:43 p.m. PST

The detailed history of the Leibgarde Regiment is also available on line at link

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