"4th of July in England" Topic

Yes, the King gave up the German family name (which I have just discovered was 'Wettin' – the Royal house was 'Saxe Coburg Gotha') and his German titles in 1917.
Incidentally, when Charles becomes king, his family name ought to be Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg (ame as the Kings of Denmark, Norway and ex-King of the Hellenes, but appparently as long ago as 1960 it was decided that the name of the Royal House would continue to be Windsor and the family name would be Mountbatten-Windsor.
Wikipedia has loads on the monarchy including the Jacobite line of succession. Here is the link to the legit one.
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Just look at the fun you can have with an hereditary monarchy instead of an elective one like the USA!
BTW, IIRC just about all of the US presidents until Kennedy (except presumably the very early ones) were related to at least one otherpresident within a couple of degrees by marriage or blood. Is this true?

S.

Tabletopwarrior wrote..
"I did introduce them to Hot Dogs and AMERICAN ketchup."

Oh no, ketchup doesn't belong on a hot dog!! Mustard, relish, onion. That's what you put on a hot dog.
Oh well what can I say unfourtinetly my wife corrupted my kids who now think ketchup belongs on a hot dog:)

Swampster,

That's a little interesting detail. Didn't know that about the US presidents. It doesn't surprise me. Afterall Churchill, MacArthur and Roosevelt shared a common ancestor IIRC.

Back on topic: I have a lot of love and repsect for my British cousins. My maternal grandfather's folks came from Redruth, Cornwall and I've always had a soft spot for my English brothers and sisters. I'll remember you today and give my thanks to have had such good folks to have as allies over the bulk of our history. We have, and I'm sure will continue to have disagreements. However I pray to God that we never take up arms against each other ever again.

Thanks again to the lunatics that dared to dream of independence and every other nut how has believed in the American Dream. We Owe You One.

I am an american(Marylander) with no english background what so ever. I lived in the UK for 5 years and we are nothing like them.

I do not dislike them but we did the right thing by going our own route!

Happy 4th of July!!! Sic Semper Tyrannus!

ChickinChainmail

===oh, and Scurvy, I'm with you on the Fireworks, I so miss cracker night.===

Yeah, I want Cracker Night back as well. I remember when I was about 14, my brother and I were shooting skyrockets at each other in the backyard. One of them went a bit wobbly and went over the house at the back. A minute or so later two great big coppers come walking between the houses at the back. Apparently we had hit their Police car. Too bad it wasn't a panzerfaust!

BTW, glad you had a good honeymoon.

Pro…

Swampster,

As luck would have it the present mother's Scottish and Irish ancestry on her mother's side make her the most British monarch for some time. She's also related to the Duke of Wellington, being a direct descendant of his brother, Richard.

Sorry, I meant monarch's not "mother's" Scottish and Irish ancestry.

Hi

I was monitoring a lecture by a british historian(whose name isn't coming to mind) who asserted that the american revolution made SENSE. Simply, the sum value of the entire 13 colonies did not produce the income of a the few islands in the carribian that the Brits and everyone were fighting over. His confusion was over all the effort to kick out the French in Canada as CANADA did not add up to the value of a single Island(did he say St.Eustus?).

So, mayhap the U.S. was just not worth effort when there were Frenchmen to kill!

Rocky

Hmmm. So, up to 1778, the war was just a holdong action until the French could be persuaded to come in, so the Brits could get back to fighting the traditional emeny? Now, THAT is an interesting revisionist spin, Rocky! 8^) Almost as good as my own crackpot Parliamentary theory!
What's the point of fighting over Philadelphia when there are sugar islands to steal.

Poor old England.In desperate of their own revolution.A once great,proud nation,torn apart by Socialism and political correctness.
God help her.
Happy 4th of July my American brethren!

Whilst I suspect his memory is playing the odd trick, in essence, Rocky is not far off. After the SYW/FIW the British actually debated whether to keep New France and return two spice islands, or keep the islands and hand back Quebec. In hindsight, the latter would have maintained a "bogeyman" presence on the N American continent that could well have stiffened the loyalty of His Majesty's colonial subjects!

I agree with John that it is silly to suggest it was a trap to lure the French into an expensive war that would eventually cause their own revolution and produce 25 years of constant warfare across the whole of Europe. However, after 1778, N America became a side-show for the British, at least militarily. Look at the poor quality of ships and commanders the Royal Navy commits to the American squadron before and after the Howes are in charge; and how much of Clinton's army is sent off to the West Indies for the 1779 season.

It is no secret that post-war trade between Great Britain and the United States quickly surpassed pre-war values – especially given the blockades/trade embargoes/etc following the First Continental Congress and the cost of collecting all those taxes that weren't being paid anyway. After the war, US merchants could no longer get limitless credit from their British counterparts and had to pay up front in coin, so the British actually made a net financial gain in that respect (shame they'd had to squander all that gold fighting a war first, but there you are…..).

Happy 4th of July to you all. Remember – you couldn't have done it without us!

Hi

Wasn't my memory, I had just seen the lecture, just got a chuckle out of the guy!

I knew about the 7yw and the spice islands thing. Old news. The problem was complex, being a world power puts you in that situation.

And I wasn't vouching for the idea. Merely smiling at it.

I seem to remember that part of the problem was Howe himself. In that he was part of the faction in england that was trying to negotiate with those rascally americans to reach an agreement and was reluctant to prosecute the war because it indicated his "failure of diplomacy". Dunno'

It is all "water under the bridge". It happend and was arguably for the better for both the U.K and the U.S.

R