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Tango0105 Mar 2018 4:11 p.m. PST

Total System Scenic offers an Italian M13/40 tank


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mysteron Supporting Member of TMP06 Mar 2018 3:12 a.m. PST

Its a QRF model. What's quite significant IIRC is this is their first ever Italian model . Maybe start of a new range I hope.

Their new models look quite good.

Tango0106 Mar 2018 9:39 p.m. PST

Glad you like it my friend!. (smile)


kevanG07 Mar 2018 11:39 a.m. PST

I understand they are doing an italian range

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP07 Mar 2018 3:03 p.m. PST

I promise I didn't count the rivets. But …

The turret doesn't look quite right to me. Does anyone else think it is just a little too triangular?

Yes, the front should be more narrow than the back. But the back looks a bit too flat to my eye. It looks like a triangle that has had its corners rounded a bit. My impression of the M13 turret is that the "rounding" should start further forward, be more pronounced, and the back itself should be more rounded rather than appearing almost (admittedly not quite) flat.

I haven't seen a lot of images of M13s from above. So I am mostly guided in my expectation by what I've seen from most other model companies. But this picture, which I gather is a still frame from a wartime video included in a recent Polish documentary, seems much closer to the turret shape I expect. The impression I get is a turret back that is more rounded, and gives the entire turret less of a triangular impression.

It could just be the angle. As I say I haven't seen a lot of overhead views, except for models. And the differences between this model and others might be rather small if measured as angles at given locations. But the overall visual effect, even if the measured differences are small, seems substantial to me.

(aka: Mk 1)

mysteron Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2018 6:40 a.m. PST

I think its possibly the angle . I am sure I have an overhead shot of a M13 so I will check when I get chance.
The oil drum on the engine deck has given me a modelling idea.

whilst on the subject is there any visible difference between a M13 and M14 ?

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2018 9:04 a.m. PST

I find, while a drawing, these tend to be correct:

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2018 11:34 a.m. PST


The diagrams are a good find. I would be interested to figure out what sources they use, but if we assume (the not-yet-proven case) that the diagram is reasonably accurate, then I believe the diagram supports my original statement.

Visual recognition cues:
Examining both the picture I provided and the diagram in the link, and focusing on the right side of the turret for now (right side from the crew perspective, left side if facing the tank), I observe that the curvature towards the back panel (the rounding of the corner) starts at about the line across the front of the turret hatch. Clearly the turret side is already rounding towards the back by the time we get as far back as the right side periscope.

I know I promised I wasn't counting rivets, but if you look at the turret side rivets in the diagram you can observe that the turret-side rivets at the bottom (near the hull) are more widely spaced than the turret-side rivets at the top (near the roof) around the periscope, which is not true forward of the periscope.

(There may differing numbers and patterns of rivets in the photo, but who's counting? Not me!)

On the model shown in the OP, the turret side is clearly still a flat surface at the line of the front of the hatch, and the curvature clearly does not begin in front of, but rather behind, the periscope. (I can't see any rivets, but then I wasn't going to count them anyways, I promise!).

This is all detailed stuff, and matters little even to me. What I observe as important is not these details, but the overall impression of how the turret looks. To me it looks too triangular, with the turret rear not rounded enough.

Just my opinion. I would be hesitant to suggest it was even my $0.02 USD worth, but then I offered it at a discount.

(aka: Mk 1)

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP08 Mar 2018 4:30 p.m. PST

You're right; it's too triangular. I have the 1966 Bellona 1:76 scale plans booklet (Series Ten).


mysteron Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 4:09 a.m. PST

The only book with a overhead view of one of this is in my reserve book collection. Its a general Tank book by Chris Ellis and the turret looks like it could have been taken from this print. Not saying the print is correct.

mysteron Supporting Member of TMP12 Mar 2018 5:26 a.m. PST

The book I have by Chris Ellis is simply called Tanks of World War 2

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