| Tango01 | 28 Feb 2018 12:51 p.m. PST |
"GOLIAD MASSACRE. The Goliad Massacre, the tragic termination of the Goliad Campaign of 1836, is of all the episodes of the Texas Revolution the most infamous. Though not as salient as the battle of the Alamo, the massacre immeasurably garnered support for the cause against Mexico both within Texas and in the United States, thus contributing greatly to the Texan victory at the battle of San Jacinto and sustaining the independence of the Republic of Texas. The execution of James W. Fannin, Jr.'s command in the Goliad Massacre was not without precedent, however, and Mexican president and general Antonio López de Santa Anna, who ultimately ordered the exterminations, was operating within Mexican law. Therefore, the massacre cannot be considered isolated from the events and legislation preceding it…"
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Shagnasty  | 28 Feb 2018 2:10 p.m. PST |
Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! |
| Garde de Paris | 28 Feb 2018 2:22 p.m. PST |
Good find, Tango. Amazing comment that if the Mexicans has just expelled them, penniless, homeless, to the docks of New Orleans, the US would have seen just how disorganized and ineffective the "Texas Revolution" was. On such cruel actions as the massacre are great nations built! The Custer massacre aroused the US to finally deal with the renegade "native American" situation as well. GdeP |
| firebase2012 | 28 Feb 2018 3:25 p.m. PST |
The Custer massacre aroused the US to finally deal with the renegade "native American" situation as well. Can't believe this comment do you mean the criminal ethnic cleansing of the native American people. Are you really serious? crazy. |
| 15th Hussar | 28 Feb 2018 3:42 p.m. PST |
The site is a nice little treasure trove. Firebase…I am hoping/thinking that GdP is being a bit tongue in cheek/sarcastic, from all the past posts I've read of his. |
| JimSelzer | 28 Feb 2018 3:51 p.m. PST |
Hey remember the Maine
Remember the Lusitannia
Remember Pearl Harbor
Remember 9-11`
Hell even remember Fort Sumter All our major wars seem to be spurred from tragic massacres even our AWI had Remember the Boston Massacre |
| Frederick | 28 Feb 2018 5:14 p.m. PST |
Garde de Paris is exactly right – if the Mexicans has dumped them on the dock in New Orleans the US would probably have written the Texans off – then maybe Santa Anna could have taken his time and not rushed off to San Jacinto |
| Choctaw | 28 Feb 2018 7:57 p.m. PST |
There was no Custer massacre. There was a fight which he and his boys lost. The Indians fighting that day were not renegades. They were fighting for their homeland. Sometimes the pure ignorance on this board astounds me. Also, if you are going to refer to us as Nstive Americans, each word is capitalized. |
Puster  | 01 Mar 2018 12:18 a.m. PST |
Irony and sarcasm are forms of art that are hard to use or appreciate. BTW: I am quite sure the second image showing the "Goliad massacre" in that article shows the execution of Maximilian some 30 years later. |
| firebase2012 | 01 Mar 2018 2:29 a.m. PST |
Totally agree Choctaw they charged into the camp hoping to slaughter old men women and children but were confronted by a force of brave warriors who fought ferociously to defend their families, COUNTRY and way of life. Not RENEGADES. I have also seen similar threads on here by ignorant sarcastic people denigrating the Native American peoples. Its a wargames site FFS. The greatest American of them all Sitting Bull murdered because of his ethnicity. Take a bow.(i can do sarcasm as well) Shame. |
 Legion 4  | 01 Mar 2018 8:25 a.m. PST |
Yes, I too agree with Choctaw & Firebase … Both sides fought and one side lost … |
| Tango01 | 01 Mar 2018 11:13 a.m. PST |
Choctaw + 4 Amicalement
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| John Leahy | 01 Mar 2018 11:52 a.m. PST |
They did not charge into camp wanting to slaughter old men and women. They never actually got into the camp at all.They wanted to capture them. Killing them would just enrage the warriors. Seeing how large this camp was only a fool would think killing was a winning tactic. Custer was many things. But he was not an idiot. His tactics were ones being implemented by the entire campaign. Prevent them from fleeing. That's what they had done every time before. This was the first and last time they did not. That was what made this battle so unusual. Savagery was common on both sides. You had an industrialized culture facing one not too far from the stone age. Bad things were going to happen. Using the term Renegades makes little sense.I don't think OP meant it in any other terms than 19th century ones. Thanks. John |
| oldjarhead | 01 Mar 2018 1:00 p.m. PST |
Sitting Bull "greatest american of them all? Citations please. Sitting Bull was skilled by Native American reservation police. Killed for his ethnicity? |
| 15th Hussar | 01 Mar 2018 1:43 p.m. PST |
As USUAL, this conversation devolved quite quickly.  |
