Tango01 | 26 Feb 2018 11:19 a.m. PST |
… Reasoning Behind Carl's Fate. "If you think that there's a good answer for why Chandler Riggs‘ Carl Grimes was killed off on The Walking Dead, I am sorry to tell you that there is not. Carl is one of a handful of characters that remain on the show from Season 1, which is a meaningful thing for fans. But even beyond that, he's also a character who is very much alive and well in Robert Kirkman‘s graphic novels. And yes, a TV show is not beholden to doing things exactly as source material dictates (in fact, sometimes it's much better when it doesn't), but there still needs to be some reasoning behind the changes. In the case of Carl's death, I'm not entirely sure there is. In the Season 8 midseason return, "Honor," the show said goodbye to Carl after he was bitten in the midseason finale. We knew his days were numbered, but the show wasted no time (surprisingly) in burying him. As our own Dave Trumbore wrote in his fantastic take down of the show's mistakes — titled ‘The Walking Dead' Midseason Finale Was Perfect for a Show That Hates Its Fans — "The Walking Dead has taken all the wrong lessons from superior shows like Breaking Bad and even Game of Thrones, and by repeatedly beating their fanbase about the head with their baseball bat, they're just pushing to see how far they can go before those faithful followers turn rabid and bite back. Or more likely, before they turn off completely."…" Main page link I don't like Carl fate….
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Cyrus the Great | 26 Feb 2018 12:24 p.m. PST |
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paulgenna | 26 Feb 2018 12:56 p.m. PST |
Did not care for the character as well. |
Flashman14 | 26 Feb 2018 1:19 p.m. PST |
Was a spoiler alert warranted here? I'm leaning toward yes. |
Choctaw | 26 Feb 2018 1:29 p.m. PST |
Carl was a beating as is the show. I quit watching about 17 character deaths ago. |
Col Durnford | 26 Feb 2018 2:02 p.m. PST |
Carl was bitten in the last episode. I'm glad they didn't try some weasel deal to keep him alive. Add me to the list of folks still watching who will miss him as much as Jar Jar Binks. |
Cacique Caribe | 26 Feb 2018 3:12 p.m. PST |
Choctaw +1 No surprise. They all acted so stupidly in the last couple of seasons – and repeatedly so – that, at one point, I wanted the whole group to end as zombies. That's when I realized I was no longer a fan of the show and quit watching. Then I made the mistake of watching the one where the guy with the bat beats two of them into pulp. Well, that one definitely sealed it for me. Adios TWD. Dan |
willthepiper | 26 Feb 2018 4:11 p.m. PST |
<rant mode on> I see Walking Dead as a bit like a video game – in each season there is a primary opponent or task, and the group needs to achieve this task to proceed to the next level (or season). Season 1: get to the CDC, find out the 'secret' of the Walkers Season 2: get to Herschel's farm, rest and recuperate. Season 3-4: Defeat the first 'Boss' opponent (the Governor) Season 5: get to Alexandria Season 6-7-8: fight the next 'Boss' (Negan). The problem is that while this approach can work for a video game (level up! defeat the next boss!), it's rather wearing for a TV series. A good TV series has a destination in mind, an overall narrative progression. And ideally an achievable end point! Battlestar Galactica had the journey to Earth (although the end was anti-climatic). Game of Thrones is working its way to a climatic battle between the three main families (Targaryen, Lannister, Stark). HBO's Rome ended at a reasonable point with Octavion becoming emperor. And so on. What I'd like to see from Walking Dead is a story of how the survivors rebuild civilisation. They've figured out the threat from the walkers. They can manage walkers quite well. The next challenge should be rebuilding society, building up sustainable communities, getting agriculture going again, rebuilding industry as needed (they haven't run out of gas or bullets yet but sooner or later they'll need a new supply!), rebuilding trade and communications, first locally and ultimately internationally. But for now all we get are bigger and badder bosses. Blech. <rant mode off> |
StarCruiser | 26 Feb 2018 5:22 p.m. PST |
^ Well, to be fair here – the show's based on a graphic novel series and that does tend to set a mood and a pattern for the show. I agree that the show has basically run on too long and has even run in circles (again, and again). I'm kind of expecting something different happening towards the end of this season – maybe a peaceful end to the Negan phase, rather than more bloodshed. Maybe Carl's vision of the future is actually where they are going? |
Bill Rosser | 26 Feb 2018 6:11 p.m. PST |
Lost interest when Glen crawled under the trash container. |
mjkerner | 26 Feb 2018 6:39 p.m. PST |
I just started binge watching it about a month ago. From all the hype I thought it was going to be as good as Breaking Bad. But it jumped the shark for me in Season 2. Glad they killed that annoying nanny, Dale, and equally annoying Lori, but kept hoping against hope that they'd kill Rick and Carl off, too. I managed to get to the end of Season 4, then quit, but because I was interested in the story, or what it could have been, I checked the comic book out online, even though I haven't read one in over 50 years (Archie and Jughead, and Sgt. Rock), Not bad….much better than the show. Of course, YMMV. |
Zephyr1 | 26 Feb 2018 9:05 p.m. PST |
TWD Producer: "Chandler wants a raise and AC in his set trailer? Nope, boom, dead…" Look on the bright side: No treacly Carl teen romance story arcs… ;-) |
Flashman14 | 27 Feb 2018 3:28 a.m. PST |
I can no longer defend the show. It's been on a precipitous slide for a few years now. |
Col Durnford | 27 Feb 2018 7:14 a.m. PST |
Spoiler alert just in case it isn't too late…. I wish Carl would have died in the first 5 minutes and got it over with instead of running thru the whole show. |
Zephyr1 | 27 Feb 2018 4:34 p.m. PST |
Would have been better if he'd turned & walked up to Rick, "I've been looking for you! Give me a hug, son…" ;-) |
ced1106 | 28 Feb 2018 10:16 p.m. PST |
> What I'd like to see from Walking Dead is a story of how the survivors rebuild civilisation. I'd say that the comics do just that. Haven't read them in awhile, but left them when they have two villages and even can run a "maker's fair". Good stuff. |
Cacique Caribe | 01 Mar 2018 6:47 a.m. PST |
Well, in the show it looks like they stopped learning from their mistakes after season 2 or 3. They all got into predictable stupidity loops after that. I could only take so much of that before I started wishing the death of the whole lot of them. Dan |
Tango01 | 01 Mar 2018 11:49 a.m. PST |
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hocklermp5 | 01 Mar 2018 5:25 p.m. PST |
The "All Out War" is without a doubt the acme of stupidity. It has grated on me every season how these people run around with automatic rifles and no ammunition. They also never fail to use semi-auto but always hose down the neighborhood. The "War" episodes are written by someone who has not the slightest understanding of combat. The 40mm grenade launchers lobbing rounds into Alexandria that caused entire houses to explode in fireballs iced the cake of all the silliness since Negan showed up. And I agree with the above comment about the truly horrific smashing heads episode that was way too intense for a video comic book. If this huge mistake of a storyline fails to kill this series I will be very surprised. |
Thomas Thomas | 06 Mar 2018 11:01 a.m. PST |
Only the Kingdom and its King are now interesting. 2 Characters have grown immense plot armor. But another interesting long term character has accepted a role in a different show. Contract dispute may lead to zombie bite. TomT |