| Tango01 | 22 Feb 2018 10:27 p.m. PST |
"The 3.7cm Flak auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen IV (sf) (Sd.Kfz. 161/3), nicknamed Möbelwagen ("Moving Van") because of its boxy shape, was a self-propelled anti-aircraft gun built from the chassis of the Panzer IV tank. It was used by the Wehrmacht in the European Theatre of World War II…."
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| elsyrsyn | 23 Feb 2018 9:13 a.m. PST |
I've always wondered – what was done with the space i the hull beneath the deck to which the flak was mounted? I've never seen a cut-away drawing of one of these conversions. Doug |
| Andy ONeill | 23 Feb 2018 9:32 a.m. PST |
Ammo storage and the gun mounting thingummy. |
| Garand | 23 Feb 2018 10:11 a.m. PST |
I've always wondered – what was done with the space i the hull beneath the deck to which the flak was mounted? That would be the party room. That's why the crews for this vehicle were so popular… Damon. |
| elsyrsyn | 23 Feb 2018 10:37 a.m. PST |
Ammo storage would certainly make sense. The party room would be more fun, though.  Doug |
| Tango01 | 23 Feb 2018 11:01 a.m. PST |
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| 4th Cuirassier | 23 Feb 2018 11:27 a.m. PST |
There seems to have been an inexhaustible supply of Panzer IVs for this sort of thing. They were the Vauxhall Chevette or the Mark II Escort avant la lettre. |
| deephorse | 23 Feb 2018 12:40 p.m. PST |
I think they were probably a better drive than a Vauxhall Chevette. Voice of experience here. Chevette that is! |
| gamershs | 23 Feb 2018 3:11 p.m. PST |
If you are going to have your support vehicles keeping up with your armor it is a good idea not to have them horse drawn (most of the support in German army was horse drawn). The Panzer IV was common and mass produced so spare parts and support for the vehicle could be found in the panzer units. As far as what you do with the compartment under the gun that is up to your imagination. |
robert piepenbrink  | 23 Feb 2018 5:46 p.m. PST |
I'd heard that the Panther was called the "moving van"--by the Panzer IV crews. But I'm with gamershs. You want as much commonality of chassis as possible, both so everyone can traverse the same terrain at more or less the same speed and so the maintenance crews know what they're fixing and possibly even have parts. (Never understood why the US Army didn't spend the money to make a command track version of the Bradley. Not as though we were actually being frugal.) |
| Garand | 25 Feb 2018 9:12 p.m. PST |
A command track version of the Brad may be in the works. I know the Army is developing a "ulitily" Brad for things like mortar carriers, APCs, and the like, to replace the M113. A lot of these specialist vehicles used in the Garman army were rebuilds. A lot of Wirbelwinds FREX were rebuilds of Panzer IVFs and Gs, so certainly a bit of recycling went into these vehicles… Damon. |
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