Editor in Chief Bill | 16 Feb 2018 9:31 p.m. PST |
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Cacique Caribe | 16 Feb 2018 9:35 p.m. PST |
First rule of assassination, kill the assassin. Second rule, use people known to be unstable loners. Dan
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PJ ONeill | 16 Feb 2018 11:35 p.m. PST |
He was "allowed" and maybe encouraged to act alone. |
Cyrus the Great | 17 Feb 2018 12:06 a.m. PST |
I could tell you, but then, I'd have to kill you! |
Charlie 12 | 17 Feb 2018 12:30 a.m. PST |
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Old Contemptibles | 17 Feb 2018 1:01 a.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 17 Feb 2018 2:24 a.m. PST |
Was he the lone gunman? Yes. Did Jack Ruby kill him to cover up "something"? Yes. |
ZULUPAUL | 17 Feb 2018 3:59 a.m. PST |
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cosmicbank | 17 Feb 2018 4:23 a.m. PST |
He acted alone in high school in his one man play, "The CIA and me" or was it called "Castro Nights" |
etotheipi | 17 Feb 2018 5:15 a.m. PST |
No, he was usually in an ensemble cast …
… oh … oswalD … still no, he usually had henchmen …
… what? |
Flashman14 | 17 Feb 2018 6:05 a.m. PST |
At last, the bottom of the barrel. |
Joes Shop | 17 Feb 2018 6:07 a.m. PST |
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20thmaine | 17 Feb 2018 6:25 a.m. PST |
+1 Winston Otherwise you have to believe in appalling levels of police incompetence to allow Ruby to shoot Oswald. |
Dynaman8789 | 17 Feb 2018 7:23 a.m. PST |
Is there a miniatures game covering this that I missed? |
coopman | 17 Feb 2018 7:34 a.m. PST |
False – I'll never believe that he alone did it. |
coopman | 17 Feb 2018 7:35 a.m. PST |
Yes, there is a new game coming out entitled "Flames of JFK". |
Ragbones | 17 Feb 2018 7:54 a.m. PST |
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Umpapa | 17 Feb 2018 9:03 a.m. PST |
My lecturer of criminology was 20+ years ago proving to my group – false. We were analysing trajectory of bullets and it really seems very strange. The true question she thought had been: why it was covered up even by JFK family. Maybe JFK was blackmailed (photos of strange sexual intercourse?) and after the assasination The Family were persuaded that it was the best outcome? Also my father (did nearly 50k postmortem autopsies) did not agree with Warren Commission. |
KSmyth | 17 Feb 2018 9:07 a.m. PST |
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Winston Smith | 17 Feb 2018 9:48 a.m. PST |
As Lord Baelish says in Game of Thrones, "I have always found revenge to be the purest motive." That's why I suspect that The Mob set up Oswald for losing the casinos in Havana, failure to follow through in the Bay of Pigs, a warning to Bobby Kennedy and his mob prosecutions after the Mob gave Jack Illinois…need more? Joe Kennedy was mobbed up to the hilt. And the Mob also set up Jack Ruby. |
andysyk | 17 Feb 2018 10:16 a.m. PST |
If he was it was damn fine shooting. |
Lascaris | 17 Feb 2018 10:23 a.m. PST |
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foxweasel | 17 Feb 2018 11:29 a.m. PST |
I don't really believe in these conspiracy theories, I think he was just a madman who was a good shot. What really interests me is the general reaction. I've been told that there was widespread shock at the news and people were really upset, not just in the States but throughout the world. Anyone on here who remembers? Is it just that we live in more cynical times, but I get the impression that if any current president was assassinated, apart from the obvious diplomatic international reactions, the average person wouldn't care less. Was JFK really loved by the people, or is it rose tinted spectacles. |
Lascaris | 17 Feb 2018 11:34 a.m. PST |
I agree FoxW. Honestly he didn't have to be that great a shot. Hitting a target of that size 2 out of 3 shots at 175, 240 and 265 feet respectively is not a "gimme" but it's not an extreme challenge either for a good shot. A sharpshooter, which Oswald achieved twice, has to hit 48 of 50 shots at 600 feet over open sights. Admittedly those are stationary but also at more than 2X the distance. |
Gunfreak | 17 Feb 2018 1:41 p.m. PST |
I need very very strong evidence to believe any conspiracy theories. Does conspiracies happen yes. But i need more then just what ifs and buts. Least "impressive evidence" is the magic bullet. Bullets aren't rational. We have many description of bullets doing strange things. People getting shot in the thigh and the bullet exiting out the neck. Joshua Chamberlain got shot in the chest. Bullet followed his rib and exited out the back everyone that saw it was sure he'd been run through by the bullet. Give me a believable paper trail, whispers of mafia or CIA is not evidence. |
Charlie 12 | 17 Feb 2018 1:59 p.m. PST |
Ah, the Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy….. The cruel (and scientifically proven) reality is that the larger and more complex the conspiracy, the higher the odds of it being uncovered. Add in the level of exposure (and how much more exposure can anything get like the Kennedy assassination) and the odds go up even higher. Its been 55 years since that event. And yet NO ONE has been able to uncover even the barest shred of evidence pointing to a conspiracy (and that includes Jack Ruby's killing of Oswald). Nothing. Nada. Not that speculation will stop. Far from it (how else could late night paranoid AM radio shows survive without a JFK assassination conspiracy show every few months interspersed with the obligatory erectile dysfunction, low testosterone, and get out debt fast ads). But after all this time? Sorry, no conspiracy. Oswald (and Ruby) acted alone… |
Charlie 12 | 17 Feb 2018 2:28 p.m. PST |
I've been told that there was widespread shock at the news and people were really upset, not just in the States but throughout the world. Anyone on here who remembers? Yes, and vividly so. I was in 5th grade and the announcement came down about mid morning (in the middle of math). We were sent home and school was shut down for several days. The TV coverage was non-stop JFK all the way to the funeral. The funeral was broadcast start to finish on all 3 networks (only 3 networks back then). I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday, but I can remember everything about that day and the days that followed. The closest thing in terms of reaction to the JFK assassination was the reaction to 9/11. |
KSmyth | 17 Feb 2018 2:58 p.m. PST |
I was eight years old, living on the west coast. I was in school and our principal made the announcement over the loudspeaker. I think he shared it near the end of the school days. Kids were upset. JFK was our guy. He was young and handsome and had the glamorous wife with kids about our age. He was also a huge promoter of the space program and we would get up before it was light to watch the Mercury astronauts take off. I came home that day to find my mother (who never cried) in tears watching the television. My parents followed every moment of the coverage through the funeral. |
Charlie 12 | 17 Feb 2018 3:33 p.m. PST |
Somewhat OT, but a JFK remembrance. June 1963, Kennedy came to San Diego to deliver the commencement address at San Diego State College (now University). As part of the day, Kennedy made a prearranged stop at a local elementary school. As luck would have it, my father was there for his student teaching assignment. My father had just retired after 20 years in the USN and was in his last semester of teacher training. Part of the events was to visit a classroom where Kennedy would meet and greet the students and teachers. By coincidence, Kennedy ended up talking one-on-one with my father for a good 15 mins. Not surprising; both had served in the SWPac, both had 2 kids (a son and a daughter), both were of the same age. After spending 5 mins of old war stories, the remaining time was spent doing what all fathers around the world do: talking about their kids. The striking thing is that on one side you had a Boston elite, the closest thing to American Royalty that we ever had, who was also the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. And on the other side, the son of west Texas dirt farmers who was using his GI Bill to get his teaching degree. And yet there was more that linked the two men than separated them. Kennedy's death affected my father greatly. I had never seen him cry. Till that day…. |
lloydthegamer | 17 Feb 2018 6:22 p.m. PST |
I'm right there with Charlie 12 and KSmyth. It seemed like the world stopped that weekend. |
Major William Martin RM | 17 Feb 2018 9:08 p.m. PST |
I was 11 years old and a 6th grader in the US Army school system in Frankfurt, Germany. Kennedy had been through Frankfurt on his previous tour (the famous "Ich bin ein Berliner tour). The average German was absolutely nuts for Kennedy, all across the country. He was seen as the "new" face of the post-war world. It was nighttime when the announcement was made on German television and the AFN radio network. Myself and a 14-year old girl were in our apartment babysitting while all the parents were across the hall for a Holiday party. We kids heard it on the radio first, then turned to German TV. I went across the hall to tell the adults, but by then phones were starting to ring. Our housing area had mid-level Army command, Army Security Agency personnel, a few diplomatic liaisons and the base Provost Marshal. Within an hour of the announcements our Fathers were in full uniform and being picked-up outside by jeeps and deuce-and-half's. They took their day packs with them and we didn't see my Dad again for 3 full days. During this time the Schools were closed, all base "soft services" were closed, snack bar, movie theater, library, etc. The only things open were the base chapels, which went 24/7 for at least a week and did a booming business. Until the Provost got organized and shut down all access to housing areas, we had regular German delivery people who brought pizza, soft drinks, beer, wine and snacks. The night it happened they were all in tears, some weeping uncontrollably. They were convinced WWIII would start in a matter of days. Just as an aside, we were there for the Cuban Missile Crisis also. That got a lot more serious and scary for all of us. We didn't see my Dad for a full week, and the Company orderlies were driving around the housing areas picking up changes of clothing and fresh uniforms. During the entire week the schools were closed and the gate to our housing area (and I assume the others in Frankfurt) was manned with a jeep and an M-3 with full crews and live ammo. There was also a deuce-and-half parked in front of each apartment building manned by a squad with evac orders (15 families to a fully-occupied building). My Mom and I had to have our personal "bug-out" bags ready to go, along with standard GI-issued evac kits. I had already been made to memorize my Grandparent's address and phone number in Ohio in case I got separated. I had copies of the train schedules for the Bahnhof in Frankfurt, some amount of money (sorry, can't remember how much) in US dollars, Swiss francs, and West German currency. If my Mom and I got separated we were told NOT to try and find each other, but to call my Grandparents collect. They had access to a special bank account that could be used to cover travel costs to their home in Ohio. I knew that my Dad had trained me well and had complete confidence in me. At least that's what I told myself. The 60's were an interesting time to grow up. |
Ironwolf | 18 Feb 2018 3:11 a.m. PST |
A death bed confession is admissible in court. A death bed confession from a man who was involved in it. link |
USAFpilot | 18 Feb 2018 10:03 a.m. PST |
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Timmo uk | 18 Feb 2018 11:34 a.m. PST |
False. Just as conspiracy can't be proven neither is there conclusive proof that Oswald did it. It's very hard to know who's evidence is the correct version since there are now so many claims and counter claims about what really happened. Why did Jack Ruby shoot Oswald? That's an equally interesting question. |
Ed Mohrmann | 19 Feb 2018 1:48 p.m. PST |
I was stationed overseas at the time. I recall that some of us were heading for the mess hall when a guy came up saying 'Kennedy's been shot !' One of the AP's was Jim Kennedy, and we thought that it was him and some one asked if he'd been shot by a 'local' or someone else – we were quickly told, 'No – PRESIDENT Kennedy !' On the heels of that, the announcement was made for all personnel involved in Ops to report immediately to their duty stations. A hectic 30 hours ensued… |
Old Contemptibles | 19 Feb 2018 2:42 p.m. PST |
Americans love a conspiracy. |
Murvihill | 20 Feb 2018 11:24 a.m. PST |
I was 6 months old. BTW, one of the funniest Saturday Night Live skits I remember was "Where were you when you found out Kennedy was shot?" |
Editor in Chief Bill | 20 Feb 2018 4:31 p.m. PST |
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Bunkermeister | 21 Feb 2018 4:43 p.m. PST |
Oswald was a rabid Communist. Any conspiracy theory only serves to get the Communists off the hook for the murder of an American president. Oswald acted alone. Oswald also murdered Dallas Police Officer JD Tippit who tried to question Oswald. Officer Tippit saw Oswald walking down the street and he matched a broadcast description. Oswald pulled a gun and shot Officer Tippit four times. Mike Bunkermeister Creek bunkermeister.blogspot.com |
Pyrate Captain | 07 Jun 2018 11:31 a.m. PST |
There was so much redundancy built into the assassination plan that it couldn't fail, and so much blatant stupidity by LBJ that it couldn't be simply explained as a "lone gunman". Dropping a whole bullet in Kennedy's gurney,…..really! |
Old Contemptibles | 09 Jun 2018 10:02 p.m. PST |
Alone. But he might get a pardon. |
advocate | 22 Jul 2018 5:41 a.m. PST |
I was 5, and in the UK. Even at that age, I was aware that it was a big thing. |
Frontovik | 23 Jul 2018 6:52 a.m. PST |
Oswald was a rabid Communist Funnily enough Moscow thought he was an obvious dangle when he walked in. |
23rdFusilier | 23 Jul 2018 7:06 a.m. PST |
I remember the day it happened like yesterday. No rose colored glasses but a sincere horror at what had happened to what my family considers a good man and good president. Was there a conspiracy? All I know is after reading everything I could and reading both sides of the argument is that I do not know. I do not think the "mob" did it. No the entire might of the United States government would have come down on them and crashed them. But I really do not know what really happened that day. To me, the Warren commission reads like a best guess without stirring the pot. Make a plausible story up. Do not worry about why the secrets service pulled the A team and put in the C team or reduced to remove the agents during the bumper of the car. A shredded set of lies. |
Aristonicus | 19 Aug 2018 2:34 a.m. PST |
Curiouser & Curiouser Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Early days Her father, Black Jack Bouvier and socialite mother were sufficiently bizarre for a start. ‘She became an enthusiastic equestrienne, and horse-riding remained a lifelong passion. By age 2, Jacqueline was able to control her pony with confidence; whenever she fell off, she would instantly climb back on.' [At 2?] From the age of 6, Jacqueline was educated in the equestrian art of dressage. The family property was Lasata.
Yes, life was wonderful at Lasata during that radiant summer of 1938. Among other excitements, Jack introduced an exotic new friend to his girls, Baron George de Mohrenschildt, a White Russian émigré who worked on Wall Street and came out to the Island on weekends. He took a shine to Jack's younger sister, Michelle, and was soon hanging around Lasata all the time. The Baron expressed a special interest in Jacqueline and her talents as an equestrienne. An able horseman himself, the tall, physically robust de Mohrenshildt had learned to ride on the family estate in Russia. He used to say that Lasata reminded him of that estate, which had been confiscated by the Bolsheviks. For about five weeks that summer, Jack, George, Jacqueline, Lee, and Michelle were always doing things together; Jacqueline conceived such a liking for the dashing nobleman that she called him Uncle George. After the collapse of Jack and Janet's marriage, and the dissolution of his romance with Michelle, de Mohrenschildt ended up in Texas, where, by a curious set of circumstances, he became the principal mentor and friend of a young man named Lee Harvey Oswald, the husband of another Russian émigré, Marina Prusakova. (Davis, Jacqueline Bouvier: An Intimate Memoir, p. 63). |
Oberlindes Sol LIC | 19 Mar 2019 10:20 a.m. PST |
I recommend a trip to the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealy Plaza. Go to the window adjacent to Oswald's, look down and to your right to where Kennedy was shot, and consider the difficulty of the shot yourself. A friend who had been a US Army sniper did that. He concluded that a right-handed shooter would not have succeeded. I did it, too, but I don't have much experience shooting rifles, and defer to my friend's expertise. |