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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2018 1:52 p.m. PST

"Flag This enigmatic ‘Swimmer Delivery Vehicle' developed by Iran takes the term ‘human torpedo' to the extreme; it is based on a 533mm (21") heavyweight torpedo with the pilot laying prone in the nose…"

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With the modern technology that warships currently have … can this work?

Amicalement
Armand

mikeda31 Jan 2018 2:53 p.m. PST

Didn't the Italians try this in WWII and if so did it work then?

Bob the Temple Builder31 Jan 2018 3:30 p.m. PST

The two-man Maile (Pig) 'human torpedo' was used by the Italian Navy's special forces (Decima MAS) to infiltrate British naval bases to fix limpet mines to warships. It was very effective, and incapacitated two British Battleships in Alexandria.

The idea was copied by the RN and called 'the Chariot' and was used to attack Axis warships, including the Tirpitz.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2018 5:06 p.m. PST

Oh great. Wonderful. More suicide bombers.

And borrowed straight from the pages of a previous "Axis of Evil".

Dan

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2018 1:59 a.m. PST

Hmm … I wonder how many of the parts/components were supplied by China, or were built "locally" but with help from China.

Dan
PS. Does North Korea have anything like this in its arsenal yet?

bsrlee01 Feb 2018 5:07 a.m. PST

I see a few things here.

Firstly, this looks a lot like a propaganda weapon rather than anything serious – there is a good reason that torpedoes have counter-rotating propellers. The idea of trying to navigate while corkscrewing through the water is well………
Secondly noise. Torpedoes are very noisy, caused by their propulsion machinery and cavitation from their propellers. Historical man carriers were slow and of limited range, relying on batteries rather than closed cycle engines, improvements in batteries would increase range but hydrodynamics limits quiet speed.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2018 10:05 a.m. PST

(smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2018 11:07 a.m. PST

Bsrlee: "The idea of trying to navigate while corkscrewing through the water is well………"

I'd love to see the video of those trial runs! Lol

Dan

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Feb 2018 11:20 a.m. PST

Actually, this looks more like something inspired by the Kaiten, but in several ways not as sophisticated.

Kaiten were imminently steerable, and of course ludicrously fast for that era, and more or less wakeless to boot.

This design, with its open cockpit, would not be fast with its serious drag issues.

The whole "advantage" of a manned torpedo would be accurate direction to a target. In 1944-45, the technology for self-correcting torpedoes did not exist, but suicidally brave pilots did. With the various remote control systems currently available (e.g. wire guidance), there would seem to be no real advantage to a manned torpedo, unless to suggest another way to martyrdom in combat.

And if the idea of a man hell bent on killing himself while taking out a ship frightens enemy fleets into avoiding conflict, then it would be a very effective weapon indeed. Otherwise, it smacks of desperation, as the Kaiten did for Japan.

TVAG

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