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Tango0122 Jan 2018 3:59 p.m. PST

… a Great Case for Rage-Quitting the Show.

"You know the rage-quit? The moment when you're playing a game where everything is so stacked against you, so engineered for your failure, or just so frustrating that you suddenly decide to stop playing instead of making yourself feel miserable? That's what everyone in Discovery should do.

Oh, we'll get to the big "twist." I think I knew in my heart it was coming, but denied it because I was giving this show the benefit of the doubt—that it had greater themes in mind, but couldn't help poorly executing them. I was, in fact, wrong. There are no deeper themes, just twists. This is Star Trek by way of M. Night Shyamalan. Hell, there are even magical alien plants involved…"
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goragrad22 Jan 2018 4:52 p.m. PST

Looks pretty twisted…

Cyrus the Great22 Jan 2018 4:52 p.m. PST

Maybe the author of the article should Rage- Quit. I quite like it. The characters are flawed and complex and they are taking their time in the reveal.I know there are a lot of haters here, that's okay too. To each their own.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2018 5:46 p.m. PST

Not a hater -- it's just not Trek. Sure, they have the same name and some Trek-like elements, but it's a total reboot that pretends 50 years of Trek kinda didn't happen, and they're already so short on plots they ran right into the Mirrorverse. In contrast, the fan film Axanar is waaayyy better Trek for 0.001% of the budget.

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Personal logo mrwigglesworth Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2018 5:49 p.m. PST

Ok what is the twist??

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2018 6:39 p.m. PST

No disrespect – but it's just a TV show

Calico Bill22 Jan 2018 7:31 p.m. PST

Agree. It's a lot of things, but it's not Star Trek. Like so many others, I wish they'd let Axanar be produced instead.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2018 10:39 p.m. PST

So, what's the twist? You can tell me. As it is, the chances that I'll be watching the show at all are slim, so telling me won't hurt.

Dan
PS. Funny how everything's an outrage in "news" media today. It's as if all the drama really begins (instead of ends) after the directors say "cut".

PaddySinclair23 Jan 2018 4:11 a.m. PST

Spoiler alert for anyone not Dan :)


Yes, really, spoiler incoming…

It turns out that the somewhat determined, by any means necessary captain of the USS Discovery is actually a refugee from the Mirror universe (where Discovery now is) who has been using the main character, Burnham, as a tool to aid his return to the Mirror Universe so that he can complete his coup against the Terran Emperor. The reviewer didn't like the fact that in the Mirror Universe, Mirror Burnham's adoptive parents weren't good people (and Lorca had in fact "groomed" her) showing that all adoptive parents were bad (completely ignoring the fact it was a counterpoint to our Burnham's adoptive parents (Sarek and Amanda) were pretty decent parents within the Vulcan parameters…).

The reviewer is suffering fashionable nerd rage (just see some other comments in this thread…) and is probably most annoyed that the Mirror Universe is back to being the "Nasty Universe" rather than DS9's "Funny Universe".

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 6:09 a.m. PST

Somebody did a review and asked this question :

If you got a personal invitation from Kirk or Picard to boldly go, you'd be a damn fool not to want to go.

Discovery ?

That's the problem with Discovery, it's edgy, dark, realistic and nothing about is inspiring and wants you to look forward to the future.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 8:46 a.m. PST

The Trek mirrorverse idea is also an odd one for a show that's trying to appeal to a new audience. I mean, since they have rebooted TOS in a dark way they haven't really introduced audiences to what the Federation is, what it's like -- which is the only way the Mirrorverse is interesting.

TOS introduced Mirrorverse near the end of season 2, so you had a functional Federation to compare it to. The contrast between the hopeful, bright colored future of the Federation vs the gritty, stark and brutal Mirrorverse was clear. But since ST:D has mostly shown the Federation as a dark, gritty place -- where's the contrast?

They'd be better off at this point abandoning the Trek-verse altogether and just doing Game of Thrones in Space in the Mirrorverse now…since it seems like that's what they wanted to do all along anyways…

Stealth1000 Inactive Member23 Jan 2018 10:57 a.m. PST

Trek and star wars have to my mind been killed by the SJW. There are no good story's any more, its just all social engineering and political propaganda. I rage quit both Star Trek and Star Wars. I got so fed up with it all I even got rid on my TV.

Tango0123 Jan 2018 10:57 a.m. PST

Dany… (spoiler to you)… also the principal actress (Michael Burman)in the Mirror Universe… used to have sex with that "Captain" who also moves as his father from the hart…. that's why he choose her in the "natural" Mirror and in the last two episodes ….He began to touch her arm in a … suspiciously affectionate way ….

THAT's a Twist…. having sex with your won "father".


About those who are so critical about the new series … I remember perfectly when "The new Generation" went on the air and was DESTROYED by the worst comments … and for a long time … until suddenly Picard and his crew came to live up to Kirk and his boys … now both are the máximum of Star Trek … but at that time they were ostentatiously rejected….


Same today.


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Dynaman878923 Jan 2018 11:10 a.m. PST

The first 3 seasons of TNG were trash – no doubt about that. The problem with the STD (other than the initials…) is that in order to watch it in the US you have to subscribe to CBS' streaming service and I"m just NOT going to do so for a single show.

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 12:46 p.m. PST

Trek and star wars have to my mind been killed by the SJW. There are no good story's any more, its just all social engineering and political propaganda.

There is an aspect of that, and done in ignorance of Trek history.

"ST:D is so woke, there's a black character as the lead!"

Benjamin Sisko, anyone?

"ST:D is so woke, it has a strong female lead!"

Katherine Janeway, anyone??

All the other Trek shows pushed the social/cultural envelope in their day, but they just did it -- they didn't launch marketing campaigns to announce their triumphal woke-ism. You got to like a character and then, whattya now, Uhuru is left in command of the Enterprise or kisses a white guy on prime time TV! BOOM! They just did it. And because you empathized with the characters you were willing to be open to what they were doing. ST:D did they total opposite -- they declared the amazing woke characters and such before they even launched the show, and ever since if you are critical of things you're attacked as an (insert prefix here)-a-phobe.

Bizarre.

Dynaman878923 Jan 2018 1:47 p.m. PST

> they didn't launch marketing campaigns to announce their triumphal woke-ism.

No need to, they had legions of fans doing it for them.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 7:10 p.m. PST

"they just did it -- they didn't launch marketing campaigns to announce their triumphal woke-ism. You got to like a character and then, whattya now, Uhuru is left in command of the Enterprise or kisses a white guy on prime time TV! BOOM! They just did it."

Indeed! Also, I find it hard to cheer for people who go around bragging about how brave they were, with a long list of praises for their so-called "breakthrough" accomplishments. :)

Dan
PS. Growing up I always had a crush on Uhura (Nichelle Nichols). I kinda still do. :)

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jan 2018 10:20 p.m. PST

Seriously? Sheesh. The only episodes worse than Mirrorverse episodes are (1) time travel episodes and (2) Holodeck episodes.

Catoblepas24 Jan 2018 9:45 a.m. PST

I have a similar problem with it to the JJ Abrams Trek movies-I wish they had just owned up to it being a reboot, or just made it it's own scifi setting, like they clearly wanted to. All these constant retcons and 'reimaginings' are giving the canon whiplash, and it's not doing the integrity of the setting any favors IMHO.

Mirror Universe episodes are probably my least favorite overall. Nonsensical and fanservice-y. I don't think that the fact they are resorting to them halfway through the first season is not a good sign.

VCarter Supporting Member of TMP24 Jan 2018 11:16 a.m. PST

They need to get some Nazis on screen or even better aliens who think that they are mid-20th century Nazis.

Tango0124 Jan 2018 11:25 a.m. PST

(smile)

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Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP24 Jan 2018 5:31 p.m. PST

I wish they had just owned up to it being a reboot, or just made it it's own scifi setting, like they clearly wanted to.

And all totally unnecessary. If they wanted to GOT in Space with Trek they only needed to set it after DS9, unlimited creative options. Nope, they had to reboot and then insist it wasn't a reboot, and then pretend the rest of Trek never happened to make the reboot work.

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