| Tango01 | 17 Jan 2018 10:20 p.m. PST |
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| Fred Cartwright | 18 Jan 2018 2:35 a.m. PST |
Very nice figures. Wish them well with this. |
 Legion 4   | 18 Jan 2018 7:36 a.m. PST |
Very nice models ! A good choice since this it another battle that is always not taken into account. At times … |
| Jcfrog | 18 Jan 2018 8:00 a.m. PST |
Can one of average height, really? 83cm |
| Pan Marek | 18 Jan 2018 9:22 a.m. PST |
Beautiful figures, but this is too depressing for me to game. Perhaps a diorama? |
| Tango01 | 18 Jan 2018 10:42 a.m. PST |
Happy you like them my friends!. (smile) Amicalement
Armand |
 The Virtual Armchair General  | 18 Jan 2018 12:17 p.m. PST |
I tend to agree with Pan Marek. I mean, as tactical situations, the Warsaw Uprising could provide some interesting games, and only small numbers of figures would be necessary. But a MAJOR effort would have to be made to produce a ruined urban environment. And even if one made a few feet of finely detailed yet practical ruins-- many of which would have to be multi-story, as well as an accessible underground of basements and sewers--the problem then becomes all games would be played on the same set, predetermining the initial set-ups, direction of play, and repeating fights for the same positions. All in all, a lot of work and investment of time to produce a fatally limited number of games. Mind, the figures look outstanding, and can have a wider use in other scenario types, but as a "dedicated" range for a particular subject, I think this was a poor choice. And if one manufacturer produces a range for Warsaw Uprising, how long before another produces a range for the Liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto? I mean, there is a point where the subject of a game begins to move into bad taste--and I don't mean that in any idiotic PC sense. Gaming war, violence, death and destruction already seems at least odd to most people out of the hobby, and we can all get that. But making a "game" out of more nearly criminal events than strictly military ones is probably crossing a line. The Warsaw Uprising was put down in an essentially criminal way, and the deliberate incineration of the non-Communist Polish Resistance by Stalin, and the limited will of the US and UK to offer significant relief to the Warsaw fighters (given the absolute necessity of keeping Russia "friendly"), all make this more of a tragedy than a subject for anyone's entertainment. My pair of drachmae. TVAG |
| Fred Cartwright | 18 Jan 2018 1:24 p.m. PST |
And if one manufacturer produces a range for Warsaw Uprising, how long before another produces a range for the Liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto? I think that is a big stretch. Ebob produced Great Escape figures, but no one followed it with a concentration camp range! Similarly there are lots of Waffen SS figures, but no one has done Einsatzgruppen. While it is not my thing I don't see this as any more or less valid that a Battle of Berlin range. I agree though it it a niche market range, but as the German player you get to use your Sturmtiger, not much of a fun game for the Polish player though! |
| foxweasel | 18 Jan 2018 2:53 p.m. PST |
I agree Fred. all make this more of a tragedy than a subject for anyone's entertainment. I think that could be said of all warfare. Anyway, no matter what your thoughts about the Warsaw uprising, they are really good looking figures. |
| Legion 4 | 18 Jan 2018 4:03 p.m. PST |
I too agree Fred & Foxweasel … |
| Lion in the Stars | 18 Jan 2018 9:04 p.m. PST |
Ah, 28mm. Not the scale I'd game in, but my FLGS bought the GF9 Stalingrad board (owner has more money than sense). |
| ScottS | 19 Jan 2018 9:21 a.m. PST |
I don't know if I'd want to play a game with anyone who really wanted to field the Dirlewanger Brigade. |
| catavar | 19 Jan 2018 11:24 a.m. PST |
Plenty of games out there where ruins would be prevalent (think Berlin '45). I've read a few books on this subject and am amazed at the sacrifice and bravery shown by the Polish Home Army. I would have no problem gaming it as well. I feel the Polish resistance fighters struggle should be remembered and respected for what it tried to accomplish and, to me, reading/gaming it does just that. |
| Fred Cartwright | 19 Jan 2018 11:41 a.m. PST |
I don't know if I'd want to play a game with anyone who really wanted to field the Dirlewanger Brigade. You don't have to game with the Dirlewanger Brigade to do a Warsaw Uprising game, there were regular Heer units there too. Having said that Dirlewanger's Brigade got their butts handed to them big time in Warsaw losing 315% of their strength. If the Nazis hadn't found some more criminals to send to it, it would have been wiped out. Must have been a shock to them dealing with people who fought back instead of just mudering women and children. |
| Legion 4 | 19 Jan 2018 1:28 p.m. PST |
I would have no problem gaming it as well. I feel the Polish resistance fighters struggle should be remembered and respected for what it tried to accomplish and, to me, reading/gaming it does just that. Agreed … |
| panzerjager | 22 Jan 2018 7:07 a.m. PST |
I am going to chime in here and hope I don't get flamed for it. I don't think any historical resistance or combat should be off topic as too sensitive. In particular to this thread I think the Sobibór Uprising, Warsaw uprising, or even the Sonderkommando revolt could all be done and done well. Part of the game master's responsibility for historical (or near historical) scenarios is to put the objectives in context. What are the various sides trying to accomplish and why? If you have a chance to watch a sobering film "The Grey Zone" you will find that even within the resistance there are different goals for the revolt. My opinion is that once we limit the content as "too sensitive" we stifle discussion. If we stifle discussion we fail to learn. That is my two groszy. PzJ |
| panzerjager | 22 Jan 2018 7:07 a.m. PST |
And the figures are great! PzJ |
| Tango01 | 22 Jan 2018 10:48 a.m. PST |
Glad you like them my friend!. (smile) Amicalement
Armand |
| ScottS | 22 Jan 2018 4:27 p.m. PST |
Oh, don't get me wrong – I'm all-in for these. I've built (but didn't finish painting) a small Home Army force in the past, and these could push me to finish what I started. It's just – well, as heroic as the Home Army was, it's still sad how things went down. |
bases more of his German artillery tractors.
