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Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2017 9:11 a.m. PST

I've been looking at different rules for French Indochina circa 1950 with a view to gaming sections of Dien Bien Phu. What I am looking for is the feel of close combat, grenade attacks and trenches taken and retaken, which feels more and more to me like WW1 Western Front trench warfare. Any suggestions out there, or Vietnam rules that deal well with assaults on fortified positions? I am probably thinking about company level, although the under-strength French and colonial units were probably closer to platoon size.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2017 9:27 a.m. PST

Ww2 rules. Also a lot more trenches then than tanks ;)

whitejamest26 Dec 2017 2:52 p.m. PST

I think you could probably have a lot of fun making some minor adaptations to Through the Mud and the Blood from TFL. It is geared towards small unit actions (between a platoon and a company per side, give or take) and makes for some very fun trench assaults.

fredavner Supporting Member of TMP26 Dec 2017 4:30 p.m. PST

C&C Great War might do the trick…..

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP27 Dec 2017 8:14 a.m. PST

Freddie, I wasn't thinking about C&C grids, but it might be worth a try. My 20mm figures are based individually on penny size stands. Will those work in your trenches?

Risaldar Singh29 Dec 2017 6:57 a.m. PST

WW1 rules would be eminently suitable for gaming the assaults on the French positions in Dien Bien Phu. Apart from the wider availability of automatic weapons there wasn't much difference. Viet Minh C&C wasn't much more advanced than in 1917.

My pick would be something like Through the Mud and the Blood for smaller scale games and some adaptation of Square Bashing for larger ones (irregular zones defined by barbed wire and trenches would probably be better than a square grid though).

catavar31 Dec 2017 11:47 a.m. PST

Any WW2 rules that cover the pacific should work fine. Many of the weapons were used in WW2 or were similar. I think the Chaffee was used as a mobile pill box in this case.

monk2002uk03 Jan 2018 12:42 p.m. PST

I agree that WW2 rules will be better. Dien Bien Phu was not like WW1. The 'trenches', for example, were very different. Troop concentrations were also very different.


Thomas Nissvik Inactive Member05 Jan 2018 5:21 a.m. PST

Nick, we have been using Chain of Command from TooFatLardies with some modifications. Works very well.

Virginia Tory09 Jan 2018 11:12 a.m. PST

Bolt Action also works. And the French launched battalion-sized attacks (if not a bit larger) numerous times during the siege. The 27 March raid on VM trenches to take out AAA comes to mind, which had elements of two different battalions and tanks involved.

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