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Tango0120 Dec 2017 3:46 p.m. PST

….The Baltics.

"Russia simulated going to war against NATO, bombing Germany and invading Baltic states during Vladimir Putin's 'West 2017' military exercises, analysts have revealed.

A massive programme of war games featuring tens of thousands of troops and code named 'Zapad' took place near the Belarus capital Minsk in September.
At the time there were fears Moscow was using the training as a cover to station soldiers and equipment in the country.

Analysts from two Western intelligence agencies have now claimed that the exercises, which included artillery, tanks, rocket launches and simulated air and navy raids, were a dry-run for a 'shock campaign' against Western European NATO members – including Germany and the Netherlands…"
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28mm Fanatik20 Dec 2017 5:26 p.m. PST

Red storm rising?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP20 Dec 2017 6:09 p.m. PST

Well … are our (US) military exercises all meant to be defensive exercises? If so, then we are definitely not at the top of the food chain any longer.


Tango0121 Dec 2017 11:09 a.m. PST



Personal logo Andrew Walters Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2017 12:12 p.m. PST

Where's the surprise?

The entire point of having a full time, professional military is so they can train. You rehearse things you might have to do, or you want people to believe you are capable of.

An entirely defensive army is not desirable. It's not even a good defense.

A good military is ready for anything. A good military has people planning for even the most unlikely contingencies. In the 1920s and 30s the US had War Plan Red for a hypothetical war with Great Britain. War Plan Black was Germany, Orange was Japan, there was a whole set of them. Red-Orange was a plan for a two front war against Britain and Japan.

Russia has been increasingly militaristic for a couple of decades now.

So if you feel like being alarmed or you want an easy topic for an alarming headline, then you can go nuts, the Russians are coming! Otherwise this is just business as usual.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP21 Dec 2017 12:23 p.m. PST

There are better ways to handicap or to squeeze resources from a nation than by occupying it, and then getting bogged down with another Vietnam or Afghanistan.

And then you have people like Hitler, who wanted his people to have their "lebensraum" (living space?). He won't be the last one to do that to neighboring countries.

But who knows, right? Some people will keep trying it.


Barin121 Dec 2017 1:59 p.m. PST

Well, at least they're not claiming now that it was a real invasion with 200K troops as everybody (especially Poland and Baltic states) were so sure before the Drill.

SovietCanadian22 Dec 2017 5:41 a.m. PST

Two unnamed analysts from unnamed sources reiterate the opinion of the Baltic states and Poland (Zapad is a rehearsal for invasion), the analysts are probably from those countries then.

Looking at all of the actions performed, yes of course they are aimed at weakening NATO on the periphery of Russia (who else could Russia fight on their western borders?), but it makes as much sense in a defensive war as in an offensive one. If Russia actually was invaded by NATO/Western forces it would make sense for them to bomb sea ports, airfields, and power stations while hunting submarines near their coast and trying to open a land corridor to Kaliningrad. Attacking the Baltic states would also make sense since they would be hostile in such a situation and would act as deployment points for invading forces, while being relatively easy to cripple (compared to Poland/Ukraine/others).

I think the only way people could not call a Russian military exercise 'aggressive' is if the entire exercise took place in dug-in positions against simulated attacking forces(unmanned vehicles so no soldier is attacking). But even then people would probably claim Russia is aggressively preparing their unmanned vehicles for invasion or preparing its military to counter western unmanned vehicles.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP22 Dec 2017 12:52 p.m. PST

The only way I would imagine Russia initiating conflict and invading the Baltic nations would be if the US was completely engaged in fighting a major war elsewhere.

So it is in Europe's best interest for them to assist the US in diffusing potential conflicts outside of Europe. A quid pro quo of sorts?


Lion in the Stars22 Dec 2017 4:47 p.m. PST

@CC: most of the exercises I was in were more along the lines of the US intervening in a fight between two other nations (ORANGE and PURPLE, usually with Orange being the 'bad guys').

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