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Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP16 Dec 2017 6:41 p.m. PST

Hi looking for a few books about the deluge, I read the three book novels which were really good but I'd like a good history book.

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP16 Dec 2017 6:41 p.m. PST

Hi looking for a few books about the deluge, I read the three book novels which were really good but I'd like a good history book.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP16 Dec 2017 7:44 p.m. PST
Travellera17 Dec 2017 2:02 a.m. PST

The ultimate one is the 800 page book by Peter Englund "Den oövervinnlige" (The invincible one). However, it requires a few classes in Swedish…

Griefbringer17 Dec 2017 6:07 a.m. PST

The ultimate one is the 800 page book by Peter Englund "Den oövervinnlige" (The invincible one). However, it requires a few classes in Swedish…

That one is great reading, especially if you are interested in the Swedish perspective on the events.

Besides the original Swedish version, the book has also been translated at least into Polish, Czech and Finnish languages.

waaslandwarrior17 Dec 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

There is some history in the rules books By Fire and Sword and The Deluge.
Both wonderfull full color hardback books, published by Wargamer.pl from Poland (they know what they are talking about).

waaslandwarrior17 Dec 2017 8:32 a.m. PST

I forgot this one:
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In English!

Kadrinazi17 Dec 2017 9:25 a.m. PST

Englund book is ok but it's very Swedish-centric and had really odd errors, that really shouldn't take place if author took some more time to work on different sources.

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP17 Dec 2017 9:29 a.m. PST

Thanks everyone.

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP17 Dec 2017 11:37 a.m. PST

The entire period is missing in English. Basic history as well as works on military actions and tactics.

I loved the Trilogy, but the books don't help one figure out how the largely pike-less Poles countered the Swedish pike, aside from Hussar charges. Or how Polish infantry protected itself from Swedish horse.

Kadrinazi18 Dec 2017 1:25 p.m. PST

@Pan Marek – actually there was quite enough pike in Polish 'foreign' regiments during this war, problem is that they didn't have (except at battle of Warsaw and during sieges) chance to fight against Swedish foot ;)
Issue of how Polish infantry could protect itself from Swedish horse is even easier – didn't have to because they didn't fought against each other. In vast majority of battles and skirmish actions of this war, it was Polish cavalry (sometimes supported by dragoons) that took to the field, with infantry reduced mostly to siege operations (Kraków, Warsaw, Toruń, Malbork, etc.).

Father Grigori21 Dec 2017 5:45 a.m. PST

The Northen Wars by Robert Frost gives a good general background. It covers all the wars from the mid C16th on, so you get a good idea of why the Deluge happened. The focus is on Poland, but Russia, Denmark and Sweden are also covered.

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huevans01123 Dec 2017 6:22 a.m. PST

@Pan Marek – actually there was quite enough pike in Polish 'foreign' regiments during this war, problem is that they didn't have (except at battle of Warsaw and during sieges) chance to fight against Swedish foot ;)
Issue of how Polish infantry could protect itself from Swedish horse is even easier – didn't have to because they didn't fought against each other. In vast majority of battles and skirmish actions of this war, it was Polish cavalry (sometimes supported by dragoons) that took to the field, with infantry reduced mostly to siege operations (Kraków, Warsaw, Toruń, Malbork, etc.).

Isn't the Deluge famous as being fought almost entirely between cavalry armies?

Swedish reiter vs Polish cossacks, hussars and reiter.

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