| Tango01 | 12 Dec 2017 12:43 p.m. PST |
"A proper understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict requires exposing numerous myths about its origins and the reasons it persists…."
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| whitphoto | 12 Dec 2017 12:55 p.m. PST |
Well that almost starts out like it's not anti Zionist propaganda….. |
Beowulf  | 12 Dec 2017 1:12 p.m. PST |
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| jefritrout | 12 Dec 2017 2:19 p.m. PST |
Tango, So possou dizer-te "Capaz Tche". Nao credito voce acho isso foi bem. Que barbaridade Tche. |
| Cacique Caribe | 12 Dec 2017 4:13 p.m. PST |
Interesting, though not exactly what one would call an impartial assessment, is it? Both sides have made mistakes, and they're going to keep happening as long as parents and religious leaders instill hate against the other group into their children, and cheer when their own children blow themselves up killing civilians.
In other words, the violence will go on for at least one more generation. Hopefully to a much lesser degree. That cycle must be stopped now. But, try as we might, no one else can do it for them. Dan
PS. And our leaders need to stop treating leaders of terrorist organizations like superstars, as some did with Arafat during the gathering of world leaders for the funeral of Hassan II of Morocco in 1999. |
| Dynaman8789 | 12 Dec 2017 5:10 p.m. PST |
> PS. And our leaders need to stop treating leaders of terrorist organizations like superstars, as some did with Arafat during the gathering of world leaders for the funeral of Hassan II of Morocco in 1999. OK, if some of our other (US) leaders quit treating Israel like it was a US state instead of a foreign power. |
 Editor in Chief Bill  | 12 Dec 2017 6:13 p.m. PST |
Makes some valid points, but I didn't follow his logic about refusing to admit Israel's right to exist. |
| Cacique Caribe | 12 Dec 2017 6:39 p.m. PST |
Dynaman8789: "OK, if some of our other (US) leaders quit treating Israel like it was a US state instead of a foreign power." Agreed. We should stop interfering in their politics. That should be part of recognizing them as a nation. Dan |
| basileus66 | 12 Dec 2017 11:08 p.m. PST |
As always there are two sides to any story. This article is a reflection of one of those sides. I get the feeling of Palestinians, though. The story of the creation of the State of Israel reads, if you are Palestinian, as a story of colonial dispossession of a native people by white, European immigrants. Of course, the truth is more nuanced. The Naqba was as much a consequence of Arab lack of consistent policy regarding how to deal with the new reality of a Jewish State -anti Jewish propaganda backfired, badly, causing a panic between Palestinians, who took off in fear of Jewish violence-, as it was the result of deliberate ambivalence in the part of Haganah's high command, which didn't do any effort to dispel the idea that the conquest of an Arab city by Jewish troops wouldn't lead to a reprisal of Deir Yassin's massacres. It was convenient for tactical, operational and strategical reasons that Palestinians abandoned their homes in those areas intended for occupation, even though, officially, the government of the new state of Israel didn't condone anti-Arab violence, nor ethnic cleansing. |
| Navy Fower Wun Seven | 12 Dec 2017 11:25 p.m. PST |
Good point mate. Even today, Arabs and Palestinians living within Isreal proper enjoy full citizenship priviledges, the vote, etc. Somewhat unlike Jews living in Egypt or other Arab states I could name… It boils down to this – the Arabs lost 5 times, and many Palestinians were unfortunately disposed and are currently repressed as a result. If the Israelis ever, just once, lost, there would be no Israel, and precious few Israelis left with their lives, let alone their homes. |
| Tango01 | 13 Dec 2017 11:14 a.m. PST |
Good point also!. Amicalement
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 Legion 4   | 13 Dec 2017 1:39 p.m. PST |
The only myth I can think of off the top of my head … is some believe there ever will be peace in that region. |
| Dynaman8789 | 13 Dec 2017 5:55 p.m. PST |
> Agreed. We should stop interfering in their politics. That should be part of recognizing them as a nation. Agreed, we can start by stopping the cash flow to them. |
| Virginia Tory | 14 Dec 2017 8:40 a.m. PST |
As repeatedly noted, the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. No sign of that ever changing. |
| Legion 4 | 14 Dec 2017 9:06 a.m. PST |
However, as some have pointed out in the media, etc., and has been the concern of many before. The blood bath, etc. between the Arabs & Israelis, fear of Armageddon, etc. has not happened … yet … As well as nobody besides the IDF in the region has nucs … yet … |
| Bellbottom | 16 Dec 2017 4:48 a.m. PST |
After many defeats, the sensible leaders of Egypt and Jordan accepted that any defeat of Israel would result in erasure of Cairo, Amman, Damascus and Tehran.
Only the Iranians and Palestinians are threatening now. Syria not so much |
| Legion 4 | 16 Dec 2017 9:24 a.m. PST |
Yes, Israel does not generally consider Egypt or Jordan as "enemies". And vis versa … of course I wouldn't call them "allies" so much. But they are not threats to one another. Syria and Israel are still consider each other "enemies" … But Syria has it hands full now. And probably will never be much of a threat to anyone but themselves. The IDF has little to worry about from Assad at this time or in the foreseeable future, IMO. It seems Iran, Hezbollah strongly supported by Iran, and the Palestinians are the IDF's main concerns. Interestingly AQ, and ISIS don't seem to be much of a threat to Israel either at this time. When in comes to terrorists, the IDF plays hardball. The terrorists go for soft targets generally and in almost all situations Israel is not "soft". |
