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DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian09 Dec 2017 6:26 p.m. PST

At what point in time did Lances enlarge from basically a long spear to the type you would see in Hollywood movies like Ivanhoe, Camelot etc?

I'm looking at the large vs small Front Rank Lances and looking at the 13th Century.

See here
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Cacique Caribe10 Dec 2017 2:55 a.m. PST

Not all spears are the same.

YouTube link

Dan

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2017 3:23 a.m. PST

To my mind, in the period you are talking about, Lances were still just long spears, The types with hand guards were only first seen about the late 13th century, and only became common in the 14th century.
I assume its these you are asking about?

DukeWacoan Supporting Member of TMP Fezian11 Dec 2017 8:16 a.m. PST

Yes. Thanks.

Mick the Metalsmith12 Dec 2017 12:14 p.m. PST

Herky,
Hand guard or counter weight? I always thought those chunky bits were for balancing the weapon to make aiming easier.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP12 Dec 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

An early hand guard (later called a vamplate) appeared in the mid 1300's – but was more commonly seen on Jousting lances than war lances until the mid 15th century, when it frequently had a fluted lance section behind the handgrip…
i.imgur.com/TSpqu4Kl.png

I imagine the back piece might have helped counterweight the blade end, but suspect the lance would have been held upright until closing with the enemy when it would be lowered, making the balance issue less of a problem.

Ian Heath's excellent 'Armies of the Middle Ages, Volume 1' details lance development very well. link

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