Osage2017 | 07 Dec 2017 7:27 p.m. PST |
Hello, this is what I was able to save from the thread, that disappeared today. Landwehr Cavalry Regiment 1813-15 consisted of: 72-96 troopers (in Sections of 8s) 1 trumpeter, 1 sergeant-major, 2-3 lieutenants, 1 captain. I'm surprised there were no Gefreiters and Unterofitzers. |
huevans011 | 07 Dec 2017 10:08 p.m. PST |
This is a squadron. A regiment would have 3-4 squadrons. |
Oliver Schmidt | 07 Dec 2017 11:41 p.m. PST |
So, here again, as an example, the regulation strength of the East Prussian Landwehr cavalry squadrons: link Of course, the Landwehr cavalry of other provinces had Unteroffiziere as well. |
wrgmr1 | 08 Dec 2017 1:05 a.m. PST |
Agreed, your first post is a CF. Dr. Schmidt has the answer. |
Osage2017 | 08 Dec 2017 7:13 a.m. PST |
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4th Cuirassier | 08 Dec 2017 7:18 a.m. PST |
So from Oliver's link, that's 5 officers 12 NCOs 2 trumpeters 1 surgeon 73 OR and 14 supernumaries (überzählige). So 93 excluding the 14 spare figures. We sometimes forget that in the actual wars, casualty removal was a thing. |
deadhead | 08 Dec 2017 8:21 a.m. PST |
Except alas when it proved not to be so. Certainly wounded officers seemed to get readily evacuated and the higher the rank, the more folk detailed to carry them to the rear, so everyone was out of harm's way. |
wrgmr1 | 08 Dec 2017 12:16 p.m. PST |
As I said in the earlier thread, there are always leaders in the ranks. Those who others will listen to and follow even though they do not hold any recognized rank. |
huevans011 | 08 Dec 2017 12:45 p.m. PST |
By 1815, strengths of LKR's could vary greatly. My notes indicate that the 1st Westphalian LKR had 4 squadrons plus a jaeger detachment and numbered 591 men. 1st Elbe LKR had 4 squadrons and numbered 570 men. 2nd Neumark LKR had 3 squadrons and 462 men. |
Osage2017 | 08 Dec 2017 7:41 p.m. PST |
Jager detachment as part of the LCR ? Hm. Were the jagers "landwehrish" or regular/volunteer ? |
Oliver Schmidt | 09 Dec 2017 2:30 a.m. PST |
In the Prussian army from 1813 to 1815, there were Freiwillige and Freiwillige Jäger. And Jäger ;-) A Freiwilliger (volunteer) is any man joining the army at his free will. A Jäger (literally: huntsman) was orginally a young man who had learned this profession and therefore was also skilled in using a rifle. These men joined the Jäger units (the first one was formed in 1740), and after their service got the privilege and right to be employed as huntsman or forester in the Royal forests. A Freiwilliger Jäger is someone who was exempt from conscription, but nevertheless for the duration of the campaign joined the army as volunteer AND brought his own uniform and weapon (means he was wealthy or knew someone who was). As these usually were educated men of the middle and higher classes, they wouldn't have liked to be side by side all day with men of the lower classes. Therefore special Freiwillige Jäger-Detachements were formed. They had the privilege to be employed in public service after the campaign, and were armed with rifles, as you would find a lot of rifles in private property, but evidently no muskets. Hence the denomination Jäger. Of course, most of them were no marksmen. This type of military service was created in February 1813, but replaced with another system after 1815. For example, even in Lützow's free corps, although all men were Freiwillige, you had special detachments of Freiwillige Jäger in the infantry and cavalry of this corps. The Freiwillige Jäger-Detachements raised west of the river Elbe in late 1813 and early 14, were assigned to the Landwehr regiments of their province, because there were no Prussian line regiments from these regions. In 1815, the new Freiwillige Jäger-Detachements from these provinces also first attached themselves to Landwehr regiments, but after the occupation of Paris they were transferd to line regiments instead. |
huevans011 | 09 Dec 2017 7:14 a.m. PST |
Oliver, are there any comments about recruitment and quality of the new LKR's in 1815? Both Elbe and Westphalia raised only 1 LKR, but a very large one. Would their recruits have been guys with previous experience with Jerome's army, who were able to maneuver, fight and ride expertly? |
Oliver Schmidt | 09 Dec 2017 9:12 a.m. PST |
I don't know and haven't got the time now to check, sorry. Possibly, the info can be found here: link link |