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R Lee S20 Nov 2017 2:17 p.m. PST

So with all these 3d printing kickstarter terrain projects and thingiverse. I'm actually thinking of taking the plundge in 2018 and getting a 3d printer for personal use. I have Lots of questions

for those who own a 3d printer for wargaming purposes do you feel it was a good investment? do you enjoy using it? have you gotten the value you where hoping for?

which printer would you recomend for a complete newbie. which are user frendly. Alernitivly if 3d printing has a big learning curve where can I learn?

what is a good programe to design my own models? Of couse there is thingiverse but how hard is it to create something unique?

How fast is the 3d industry advancing? Are new better printers being released all the time and would it make sense to wait?

What advice can you offer?

UshCha20 Nov 2017 3:26 p.m. PST

You need to decide what you want. There is a long way between printing somebody else's file and making your own.

If your aim is to make your own files, delay making a printer purchase and draw something up and get it printed at somewhere like Shapeways. If you enjoyed it, well and good if you never get it done, well you saved the cost of a printer.

For reference I had some basic CADDS skills and it took me a good 16 hrs work to do a truck in 1/144 scale. Bigger more detailed models will take longer. I say to folk, 3D printing is just high tech scratch building and takes as long. The only difference is once you have done you can have loads more at little cost in time.

3D printers like say a, wanhoe I3, a perusa clone will be relatively easy to run. The effort is in the CADDS model. Most kick starters will run on a perusa clone. If that's all you want to do is it cost effective? Only you can decide. Me I love it but put a lot of time in designing from Home DIY parts to actual models.

Finaly some folk get het up about the 0.004" steps in sloped surfaces, if this is a problem then a cheap FDS printer is not for you. Anything else will be a lot ore expensive in terms of machine and consumables.

SeattleGamer20 Nov 2017 7:25 p.m. PST

I would stay away from Kickstarter 3D printers. They have been hit and miss. Those that actually deliver (some have not) are often late, and the final specs and reviews don't live up to the campaign claims.

If you don't want to sour your first exposure to 3D printing, then get one that is already available.

I went thru this process a year ago, and in brief, here are my recommendations:

Make a list of what you would like to be able to print. Buildings, vehicles, scatter terrain bits, etc. Then narrow your list to printers that can print your most common items. No sense spending a lot of time reading and reviewing a printer with a 4' x4" build plate, when you have designs on 6-7" vehicles or structures.

Read up on the types of filament, and then ask yourself if you really "need" ABS or if PLA is really where its at. ABS is tougher, can handle outdoor stuff better, etc. But for wargaming terrain, PLA is actually easier to deal with.

Also, if PLA is what you "need" then you can eliminate needing a totally enclosed printer. That is an ABS thing. You can eliminate a heated bed (it is handy for PLA, but it is mandatory for ABS).

Read and watch reviews. You will quickly be able to narrow your bigger list down to about half a dozen models.

Decide if you want to build a kit. I did not.

Regarding terrain, I print building pieces (which let me assemble an entire structure out of parts – check out Z1 Designs), and dungeon pieces (check out Printable Scenery). I print scatter terrain, boxes, crates, fences, consoles, escape pods, etc. I suspect I pay about 25-33% of what some of these things would cost me if I were to find them in plastic in a hobby store.

Are printers getting better and cheaper? Yes. But not so fast that in 6 months there will be something for less that does more. The hobby part of this industry is still int he early stages. Improvements are more like 10% per year, not 100%.

I bought a Monoprice Maker Select for $275 USD on sale (normal price is $325 USD). A year later, they still make it, and the price is just a littler cheaper (not as cheap as my sale price). Every time I think about saving to get a $600 USD printer I realize I would more likely spend half that to get a second one.

Wanhao Duplicator i3 is also a great printer. Monoprice Maker Sele4ct is a clone of that very model. The Wanhao sells for about $100 USD more.

Look for a printer that is good out of the box, and then look for a user community that supports that printer. Actual users are more likely to have come up with something that improves it than the factory. Monoprice and Wanhao have large, active user communities.

I have not done ANY of the "recommended" adjustments to my printer, and I am pretty happy with the results. It could print better I am sure. Just not sure I really need to fuss with it that much.

I have not yet received the "value" I was hoping for, but that is because I have a real life, and hobby time is limited. I am not able to print things over night (very low noise, but it is right under a bedroom of a light sleeper). So I can print Saturday and Sunday, not 7 days a week.

I do not regret my purchase. I have fun backing 3D file kickstarters and printing those designs. I am not interested in spending the hours and hours of time it would take to develop something on my own.

No need to rush in, but no need to hold off either. I got interested July 2016. Got a couple of magazines on it, read a ton of online stuff, created a spreadsheet of models and features and prices, narrowed down the search, and pulled the trigger in October. From start to finish, maybe 100 days of reading and watching reviews.

It is a fun extra element to my hobby now.

Bashytubits20 Nov 2017 9:14 p.m. PST

If I were you I would watch a bunch of video reviews of the different inexpensive 3d printers and pay close attention to the comments of people who actually use them. You simply cannot just buy a 3d printer and push a button. There are lots of things you need to know and apply to get consistently good prints. Be aware there is a lot of maintenance and upkeep involved.

UshCha21 Nov 2017 2:15 a.m. PST

Settle gamer is giving good advice. I have a replicator 2. I have replaced the lemon bed a simple job about 4 times it wears out. Cleaned the extruder 4 times and changed the fan about 3 times. Plus one change of an electronics card, very simple to do. So not too much time but some.

Rev Zoom23 Nov 2017 11:53 a.m. PST

Sindoh 3Dwox is excellent.
Prusa I3 Mk2S is fantastic.

Tigerjlm24 Nov 2017 12:22 p.m. PST

I got a Monoprice 3d Select Mini last Christmas and find that it was well worth it.

I am still learning how to dial in the settings and techniques to get the best results but what I have done so far has been more than worth it. Yes, printing takes time but in the long run its cheap if your printing yourself.

There are tons of resources for free models and if you want to learn how to model your own; Blender and TinkerCAD are excellent pieces of free software. Blender is more robust with greater flexibility but steeper learning curve, but BlenderGuru (and others) have excellent tutorials on YouTube.

Here's some of my 15mm tanks Resin and 3d printed

suntzu77702 Dec 2017 7:47 p.m. PST

I have just taken the "plunge" and am documenting my experiences here

link

Rob

ramsildor02 Dec 2017 11:35 p.m. PST

Welcome to the Party I have 6 printers and have been at it for nearly 2 and half years! It does have a bit of a learning curve and I have tossed a number of failed prints but I could have never bought the terrain and miniatures I make. The reason I have 6? I seem to always want to be printing something while I am doing another project. I have a Prusa 3i MKS, Creator Pro, M3D, and 3 Mini Select IIIs. Next one is going to be an FDM so I can do some quality figures. The figures I have seen are beautiful and rival injection molding for quality.

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