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RogerC18 Nov 2017 9:30 a.m. PST

Had an excellent all day Rapid Fire game set in Northern France. Full write up and pictures on the blog.

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princeman18 Nov 2017 10:42 a.m. PST

Looks fantastic – did everyone have a good time?

RogerC18 Nov 2017 10:43 a.m. PST

They did thanks, tough for the Germans especially when dice were against them at times but good fun.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Nov 2017 11:39 a.m. PST

Absolutely Great !!!! I like that early war era.

Fire at Will18 Nov 2017 11:48 p.m. PST

Nice report, I expect to be playing more 1940 games now the new Blitzkrieg Battlegroups book is out.

uglyfatbloke19 Nov 2017 2:45 a.m. PST

Looking good!

crazycaptain19 Nov 2017 7:14 a.m. PST

I spent this entire semester researching the fall of France. This is fantastic! Glad to hear it was a good game. I plan on collecting figures for the period soon.

Morand19 Nov 2017 8:11 a.m. PST

Great job!
Thank you very much.

donlowry19 Nov 2017 9:55 a.m. PST

Other than the wall-to-wall tanks in the road, it looks great! How big is the table?

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2017 10:07 a.m. PST

Those are some brave Panhard commanders!

RogerC19 Nov 2017 12:55 p.m. PST

The table was 15 foot by 7 foot.The Panhards were brave and as it turns out had no where to run away to.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2017 7:23 a.m. PST

Many thanks and my preferred set of WW II rules to boot!

RogerC20 Nov 2017 10:58 a.m. PST

Glad you liked it follow up game on the modern board.

Old Contemptibles20 Nov 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

Looks great! 20mm? Why are there Russians in France?

RogerC20 Nov 2017 12:40 p.m. PST

Yes they are all 20mm Rallynow. I think the Russians you refer to are in game 2 set in late 60's cold war with a Russian Break through in East Germany pushing into Northern France. Write up for that game on the blog and on here in col war.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2017 10:05 p.m. PST

A couple of things I really like about this set-up.

Well, first, I like that it's 1940 France. I mean, yes please! I really like gaming that campaign. I find the vehicles so interesting, and the issues so challenging to understand and model on the game table.

And then, notwithstanding the comment about wall-to-wall tanks on the road, I really like that you set up a great big table with lots of room to maneuver. I too like to game that way. I like to use a complete ping-pong table, which at 5 x 8' is rather smaller than your game table, but then I game at 6mm so my figures and terrain features are rather smaller too!

I find it very appealing, even though in most games the action occurs in about a 1 x 2' area on the table. The problem for the commander is figuring out where that 1 x 2' space is most likely to be, and then ensuring that you have more of your forces positioned to participate in the key action area than your opponent, while also ensuring you have your forces set up widely enough that if the key area turns out to be somewhere else you are not caught completely flat-footed.

As some wise officer somewhere once said, deployment is half the battle!

Now a couple observations. The stone walls look very nice. With the wooden gates -- even nicer. Got to build me some stone walls with wooden gates like that.

The buildings look nice. I particularly like the walled yards / courts. A number of them, though, are timbered. In my travels I have rarely seen timbered or partially timbered construction in France, except for Alsace. That said, I have spent more time in the Southwest and the South of France than in the North. Never even been to the Ardennes region (except passing through). Are half-timbered houses common there? If so, it expands the selection of my own structures that I could use in a future game.

The selection of vehicles seems a bit of an odd mix on both sides.

On the French side, from my readings I do not find much likelyhood of S-35s in action with R-35s or Char-Bs. They were in separate divisions -- Char-Bs were in the DCRs, S-35s in the DCMs. The H-35s and H-35 mod1939s (sometimes called H-39s or H-40s) might well have been mixed with either, and the R-35s, while usually operating independently from the armored divisions, filled out the slots in DCRs when H-35s were not available, so thus could mix with Char-Bs. But S-35s were in different divisions, and usually in action on different parts of the front.

On the German side, again from my readings I do not see Pz38ts in the same divisions as PzIIIs. The 38ts (and 35ts) were used to equip some Panzer Divisions in place of PzIIIs, which were not available in sufficient numbers. In the divisions with 38ts one might still have found PzIVs for support, and PzIIs and Is for recon. But not PzIIIs.

Of course during war sometimes formations get mixed up, but in my games when I want to put forces from different divisions (or sometimes even different battalions) on the game table I usually give them to different players with some restrictions on their coordination.

I can easily understand if the goal was just getting some interesting kit onto the table, and I offer no criticism of the mix. But I'd be interested to know if someone has information to the contrary of my restrictions in either the French or German mix.

In any case, keep up the good work, and give those Pan-pan commanders an extra ration of wine for their courage!

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

RogerC21 Nov 2017 11:04 a.m. PST

Hi Mark, thanks for your comments. I love early war but have spent more time in research on Poland than France, this is my chum Chris's collection. I dont think he has any information to support his force make up. I agree with you that the PZ38T's would be in seperate divisions replacing the PZIII's, I think his idea with the French was more a collection of units that had retreated and found themselves thrown together.

Fore the buildings I think Chris who owns the collection has based these on what he expected to see in Northern France in the 40's many of these are scratch built for WW2 North West Europe so I would imagine are generally about right, again though not my area of expertise.

In terms of deployment we were lucky enough that we guessed correctly where each battle group would deploy and advance and were able to make it very difficult for them.

The traffic jam refered to earlier was one of the German commanders trying to make use of the extended movement available on roads, given the width of the table this was his best chance of capturing any of the roads.

Thanks again Mark.

Murvihill21 Nov 2017 11:18 a.m. PST

"The selection of vehicles seems a bit of an odd mix on both sides. "
I have no problem with fielding a mix of tank types in a battle. Buying, building, painting and storing full companies of all models seems unreasonable to me in 20mm. With only a platoon of most models of tanks (except Japan), I'm at over 600 AFV's already. I can field companies of Shermans and T-34's, but only platoons of other types. I have companies of Churchills, Pz3's and 4's but they are different models (For Churchills that means I, II, III, IIINA, VII and VIII, plus an AVRE and mineroller).
Now that I have my last unicorn (A T-18) I'm planning on finishing what's still in the boxes and be done with it.

RogerC21 Nov 2017 4:17 p.m. PST

Most of the PZIII's we have are for 1941, Chris has a battalion of tanks for the correct period and a battalion of 38ts if we want to use more we have to mix divisions unfotunately as you say Murvihill doing it without mixing becomes very expensive indeed unless its micro armour.

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