Winston Smith | 18 Nov 2017 7:24 a.m. PST |
link Maybe if I could sell it for $750 USD million next year.
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Winston Smith | 18 Nov 2017 7:25 a.m. PST |
Now, the frame….. I bet I could get a few bucks for that. |
79thPA | 18 Nov 2017 7:36 a.m. PST |
I could send a lot of figures off to be painted for that kind of money. |
Legion 4 | 18 Nov 2017 8:06 a.m. PST |
Is it a fake ? The News story I was just watching on CBS. Didn't mention that. But I have no idea in reality. Regardless … I really think items that should be in a very well guarded museum. And if you have $450 USD Million extra to buy anything like that. I'd think it could be put to better use. With all the tragedy, etc., going on worldwide. Of course, the money belongs to whoever it is. And they should spend it as they see it. The problem with "doing" for the greater good is fine. Until you run out of other peoples' money. Just say'n … |
Great War Ace | 18 Nov 2017 8:28 a.m. PST |
Leonardo is fake. All actors are fake. But when they advocate for an end to open defecation by 2030, they are not fake. And they are worth a whole lot more than $450 USD million. |
Cacique Caribe | 18 Nov 2017 9:25 a.m. PST |
That picture is a bit creepy, with the crystal orb and all. Or maybe it's the oily long hair, or the fact that he looks stoned. Then again, Mona Lisa looks stoned too. Dan
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robert piepenbrink | 18 Nov 2017 9:32 a.m. PST |
I wouldn't pay 450 million for a real Leonardo. But after 500 years, there's no way to prove it's a fake. It was done in the right period with the right materials, and as I understand it, corresponds to a painting da Vinci was known to have painted. So at worst--from the owner's point of view--you've got some critics saying "da Vinci wouldn't have painted that item that way" and others saying "yes he would." If you don't like the answer you get from one expert, read another. |
Winston Smith | 18 Nov 2017 9:40 a.m. PST |
One "expert" said that the price paid validated its authenticity. I like that approach. |
Cyrus the Great | 18 Nov 2017 10:14 a.m. PST |
"art critic Jerry Salts…(who is) neither a historian nor an expert in old master work…" 'Nuff said! |
Cacique Caribe | 18 Nov 2017 10:19 a.m. PST |
Robert: "there's no way to prove it's a fake" But is it considered a fake until proven genuine, or genuine until proven to be a fake? Who has the burden of proof? :) Dan |
robert piepenbrink | 18 Nov 2017 11:45 a.m. PST |
Dan, it's commerce and not criminal law. If I'm the one buying and the artist matters to me, then I'm the one who has to be satisfied, and I get to set the standard on what constitutes convincing proof. --Actually, it's the same standard used when buying and selling castings and arguing about the accuracy of uniforms. Clarification. We're talking here fakes and not forgeries. If I set out to paint a da Vinci, there are a hundred ways to prove it's a forgery--objective, repeatable tests of paints, canvas drying time and what have you, because it wasn't painted in 16th Century Italy. But when all the science agrees on the date and place, you're left with "critical" or "expert" opinion. Ever see two historians or literary critics argue about who wrote a paper, or which of two authors wrote which part of a book? Like that, except with even more guesswork and even louder opinions. At that point, we're talking fakes, and we're talking opinion. |
Cacique Caribe | 18 Nov 2017 12:57 p.m. PST |
Hmm. I guess I'd never heard "fake" and "forgery" contrasted that way before. Maybe it's still possible for me to learn something new every day! Dan |
14Bore | 18 Nov 2017 1:53 p.m. PST |
A DiCaprio? Doubt it would be worth that much if it was original |
Zephyr1 | 18 Nov 2017 3:20 p.m. PST |
Wow, after seeing Steven Seagal's shaved face above, you can sure see how much weight he's put on…! "Would you pay $450 USD million for a fake Leonardo?"
Why yes, I just happen to have that much in Zimbabwean currency right here… |
Legion 4 | 18 Nov 2017 3:26 p.m. PST |
What's that worth in USD ? $1.35 USD ? |
andysyk | 18 Nov 2017 6:40 p.m. PST |
WTF if you had that much disposable income wouldn't you just donate/invest it in worthy causes. |
dragon6 | 18 Nov 2017 7:34 p.m. PST |
No. Just ask any of the people who do have that much disposable income |
Winston Smith | 18 Nov 2017 9:10 p.m. PST |
No, I would NOT invest/donate in "worthy" causes. |
Der Alte Fritz | 18 Nov 2017 9:35 p.m. PST |
As the old saying goes, "what's the point of having EFU money if you can't tell someone to EFU once in awhile." So they buy an expensive painting because they can. |
Zephyr1 | 18 Nov 2017 9:44 p.m. PST |
IF you want to make your own (well beyond my artistic ability to attempt. I'm sticking to painting miniatures. ;-), start with this book: The Art Forger's Handbook [Eric Hebborn] It's a great read on the subject, and will teach you more about art techniques than most scholarly books… |
Legion 4 | 19 Nov 2017 8:56 a.m. PST |
Many with large amounts of cash, do donate money to what they believe are worthy causes. But a lot of time you don't hear about. As far as the $450 USD million, maybe the individual(s) has donated to some "good" cause". But what is good or worthy is all in the eyes of the beholder. And in many cases all the donated money does not go to where it is supposed to. |